Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology

Well, there are the early vase-paintings that I mentioned. And the animal that was torn apart by the maenads was a foal.

If you would read Robert Graves, _The Greek Myths_, an essential source for what you seem to be doing, there is a lot more horse symbolism there. Warning: his linguistics are unreliable; and mother-goddesses did not predominate.

I would propose that, at some early date, there was a common origin for these associated traits. You might want to visit my website at proto-language and look under proto-religion.

Proto-Language

I did not assert that January was, in any way, related to Enyalios so why bring this up? Further, I do not think they are etymologically related.

Without researching it, I would suppose they are related (Are:s) and Areion).

No iddea on your last question. What language is that?

Patrick

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From: Joao S. Lopes

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Subject: Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology

I cannot see a strong horse-symbolism in Bakkhos. I agree with the equine and maybe wind traits of Ares. Even Bakkhos was not Greek he can have IE traits, through some Thracian, Phrygian or Illyrian adstratum. Latin Janus (cf. Januarius "January", Portuguese janeiro; janua "door", januella "window", Portuguese janela, janitor "door-keeper") < *ya:-nos, and Enyalios came from Mycenean *enuwaliyos. Short e doesnt match a:, and the ya:- would give Greek ze:- or he:-.

Any link between Are:s and Areion, divine horse son of Poseidon?

How about Are:s < *re:z(^) or re:s(^) "king" ?

alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> > Now Ares is a son of Zeus also, associated with growth, war, horses > (mare's milk anyone?), and intoxicants. > > Bacchus may be an Anatolian(?), tamer form of Ares, so that > 'quarreler' is an appropriate name. > > > Patrick Dyonision is a later good, it cannot have IE origin, it appeared later in the Thracian mithology and was imported too by Phyrigians. Ares was originary the good of the hard winter, of the cumplitely wind. Presumabely his name is the one which is at the origin of the name of the month "Januarius", and not Jovis (Janus) as generaly assumed. Alex -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21.04.2005
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