From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 37016
Date: 2005-04-09
>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:Hitt. mehur "time" is related to Lat. ma:turus "ripe",
>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:18:07 +0000, etherman23
>> <etherman23@...> wrote:
>>
>> >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "P&G" <G&P@...> wrote:
>> >> I'm not sure which theory you mean here. Have you moved form
>PIE /a/
>> >> to laryngeal theory? Because, if you are doubting the existence
>of
>> >> laryngeals, we need a conversation.
>> >
>> >I'm convinced H2 existed (though I question some of its alleged
>> >properties). I see nothing to convince me of H1. It doesn't appear
>in
>> >Hittite that I can see (except oddly, mehur).
>>
>> mehur is *me:h2wr. *h1 is never observed in Hittite (or
>> Anatolian in general).
>
>Yet in other languages we see e: in cognates.
>Why wouldn't e:H2 develope into a: in Hittite?Long and originally long vowels (*e: and *o) are not
>> > Nor am I convinced of H3,Yes, it was invented to explain that, and does so very well.
>> >but I'm more likely to believe in that than H1. The theory is
>> >elegant,
>> >I'll give you that. But where's the beef?
>>
>> The best evidence for *h1 is still the Ablaut e: ~ o: < *eh1
>> ~ *oh1, as first noted by de Saussure.
>
>The theory was invented to explain that.
>Since H1 isn't preserved in
>Anatolian I wonder where the actual evidence is for it.
>> Important support also comes from the Greek three-wayThe full grades of *eh1, *eh2 and *eh3 are e:, a: and o:,
>> representation of vocalized laryngeals, with *h1 > *&1 >
>> /e/.
>
>Could Greek have replaced the zero-grade with the full grade?
>> Greek also shows a different development of *i/u + *h1/2/3,Why only Hittite?
>> having:
>>
>> *ih1 > i: *uh1 > u:
>> *ih2 > ya: *uh2 > wa:
>> *ih3 > yo: *uh3 > wo:
>>
>
>What are the Hittite cognates to support this (not that I'm saying
>they don't exist, I just like to know what they are)?