Re: Gaelic and Sanskrit - and Nuada

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "CG" <sonno3@...> wrote:

>
> > > There is no etymological connection between Net/Neit and
> > Nuadu/Nodens.
> >

> I have read both Green and MacKillop and never come across any such
> identification (could have missed it, though). regardless, neither
> Green nor MacKillop are linguists and their respective works are
> replete with linguistic errors - especially MacKillop (his

Dictionary of Celtic Mythology, for example, regularly classes
gaulish names as Latin!).

MacKillop's Dictionary mentions such connections and cognates under
his entries for Nechtan, Nodons, Nuadu Airgetlam, and Nudd.
Green does likewise under Nodens and Nuadu in her Dictionary; Gods of
the Celts mentions it on pgs 17 and 147.
I cannot speak for their skill in linguistics, only that they do
mention the associations.

>
> I don't know where you are getting the word/name "Nod" from - do

you mean Nudd? There are no rules which would allow Irish Neit to
become Nod.

My bad, I was thinking of removing the suffix from the name.
So there is no linguistic way such a shift could occur to or from Net
to Nod(ens)? Net to Nechtan? Nodens to Nuada?

> > Linguistic option 1)
> > "Not" from the Gmc. *neutan- was 'to profit from sth, make good

use of sth' (hence 'enjoy', 'consume', etc.).

> > And is connected with the root *neud- 'use, enjoy, possess',

known from Germanic and Baltic

>
> Yes - this is the same root that I mentioned.

Agreed, I am simply mentioning the possibilities I have seen proposed
so far in my studies.

> > Linguistic option 2)
> > The again, the name may instead stem from: *nedh/nodus.
> > Taken directly from Dumezil's `Mitra-Varuna' pg 99:
> > "from the root *nedh-, `to bind', which is also that of
> > nodus, `knot', Sanskrit naddha-, `fastened', Irish naidim, `I

bind'"

> > The second edition of the American Heritage Dictionary of Indo-
> > European Roots expresses the root as *ned to bind, tie. The O-

grade form is *nod-. and is the root of such words as knot and net.

>
> That's impossible, at least as far as Brittonic and Proto-Irish
> *Noudonts is concerned - the name must come from a Proto-Indo-
> European root containing the diphthong -eu-.

So *noudonts is the proto-Celtic term from which Old Irish and Welsh,
etc terms such as naidim derive??
Could you please explain the reasoning behind this impossibility?

> > Linguistic option 3)
> > This is the possibility of the term stemming from some word
> > meaning "to protect". Having checked out a few online

dictionaries I can say that the Welsh terms (noddi = 'protect' (noddi)
and nawdd = 'protection') are accurate.

> > At this point I cannot confirm nor deny the other tems involved
> > (Irish nacht and Sanskrit nud- and nudati)
>
> Also seems extremely unlikely to me given the differences in the
> vowels.

As I am not particularly fluent in linguistics, I can only say that I
was struck by the similarity of 'nacht' to Nechtan and noddi to
Nodens and Nuadu/Nuada.

I look forward to your responses and appreciate the input,
Aydan