[tied] Re: *ap-/*up-/*ip- , rivers in -r

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> After all, how would one get away with claiming the adverb
> (preverb/pre/postposition) *ab is IE? It's got an /a/, it's got
> a /b/, it's got nothing else, and once you said /a/, and you
> said /b/, you'll have to say 'non-IE'
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> Torsten
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> PCR:
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> It is implied that */a/ and */b/ suggest non-IE origin.
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> This is simply not true.
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> Standard IE reconstruction acknowledges IE */a/ as a result of

earlier *H2V or *-VH2.

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> IE */b/, though rare, is present in many other almost certainly

IE words (e.g. *bak-, 'staff'; *bu-, 'lip')
I'm almost positive *bak- is variant of *pak-, *pag- which means
approximately the same, and that they're are both loans. And BTW
Proto-Austronesian is full of words in *pa- with related meanings.
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/HbHpg.html
At least Latin 'bucca' "mouth" looks very un-Latin, with a /b/ and a
geminate.

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> *ab- (*H2Vb-) would also conform to the canonical IE root

pattern: *CVC.

Problem is Hittite has 'appo' "away" without any laryngeal.
Kuryl/owicz posited one that disappeared without a trace, which you
would have to do to. To me, it suggests that 'appo' was loaned at
some time after the laryngeal disappeared it must have had once
judging from the Semitic forms.
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Op.html


Torsten