Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

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From: Rob

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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@......>
wrote:

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>   That would be my hypothesis. In addition, where it is associated
> with the meaning 'one of two', I suggest the same dervation but   
> with emphasis on the underlying idea of 'turning'

There is also a root *ter- meaning "turn", correct?  If so, do you
think that it and the *ter- "make" root have a common origin?

Yes. Take a look in Pokorny and see if you do not agree. Remember, we are thinking of primitive manufacturing methods.

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That is interesting.  If you're correct, then the root nouns were
more original?  Or, perhaps, a prestage of IE had lost (most) basic
distinctions between nouns and verbs?  (Like English: 'run' can be
either a noun or a verb, depending on its syntactic usage.)

Not "lost" but rather had yet to acquire them.

 

I see.  The use of 'x' in my notation represents a voiceless velar
fricative /x/, which I believe was what caused (better, what
retained) the a-vocalism later on.

I strongly agree with retention rather than phonological influence.

 

> > Is that derived stem [*pex-t-] a frequentative?  If not, then   
> > what?
>
>   I will settle for Brugmann: a generally active participle which 
> can be used as an adjective or noun.

Aha.  So it's the same formant as is used in the deverbal
(collective?) adjectival formation in *-tó?  I also think that that
form is related to the so-called 't-stems', e.g. Latin sacerdo:s,
sacerdo:tis < *sakro-do:-t-s < *sak(?)-r-o-dexW-t-.  Is that what
you're saying, here, as well?

Yes.

 

Patrick




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