Re: Orlog revisited

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
<richard.wordingham@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "A." <xthanex@...> wrote:
>
> > 2. Extended form *uds. which does exhibit some R forms (that

might

> > connect to "or"): a. ersatz, from Old High German irsezzan, to
> > replace, from ir-, out; b. ort, from Middle Dutch oor, out; c.
> > Germanic compound *uz-dailjam (see dail-); d. Ursprache, from Old
> > High German ur-, out of, original. a–d all from Germanic *uz, *uz-
> ,
> > out.
> >
> >
> > Now, my four reasons for interpreting orlog as something other
> > than "being in violation of the law":
> > 1) It seems equally valid from the above definitions, to

interpret

> > orlog as meaning "primal laws".
> > 2) If orlog carried the meaning of being in violation of the law,
> I
> > would think we'd find a term more similar to the Old Norse word
> > utlagr, "outlawed, banished".
> > But as we can see below, most (not all) of the derivatives of ud-
> do
> > not contain the R form (OHG and Middle Dutch being the exceptions)
>
> If you're counting languages, as opposed to words, there's also the
> English derivative _ordeal_ of *uzdailjam, along with the Old
> Frisian and Old Saxon cognates _orde:l_ and _urde:li_ respectively.
>

'ur-' is alive and well as a preverb in German (all the verbs in er-)
and in the Swedish preposition 'ur' "out of", as in 'ur läge' "out of
joint", "out of (its proper) position" etc. ('läge' = "position,
bearing, situation").

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