Re: [tied] Re: Various loose thoughts

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 35932
Date: 2005-01-15

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:31:06 +0100, Mate Kapovic
<mkapovic@...> wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miguel Carrasquer" <mcv@...>
>To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Various loose thoughts
>
>
>>The PIE (athematic) mobile paradigms had end-stress in the
>>plural oblique (*-mós, *-sú, *-mí:s), so what one expects is
>>end-stress transferred to the vowel stems.
>
>Yeah, but one may as well expect the columnal stress on the thematic vowel
>to be preserved.

Well, I don't think so. The whole point of Balto-Slavic
mobility is that the mobility of the athematic paradigms was
transferred to the vowel stems. In the case of nominals,
the primary driving force may have been to distinguish the
accusative from the nominative, but a secondary factor (and
the one that lasted) was surely the oxytonesis of the whole
plural and dual oblique.

>>This means that the Slavic a:-stems are regular: *-ah2-mós,
>>*-ah2-sú, *-ah2-mí:s become -á:mos, *-á:s(^)u, *-á:mi:s by
>>Hirt's law. Everything in Slavic is explained by oxytonesis
>>through Pedersen's law, and retraction by Hirt's law in the
>>ah2-stems. We cannot apply Dybo's law, because Dybo's law
>>doesn't appy

My keyboard's randomly misbehaving, so please mentally
insert any missing letters from the asdfg...kl row which are
missing...

>> to mobile paradigms (just try to apply it on a
>>mobile o-stem singular for a laugh), and we don't need to.
>
>Not necessarilly. Dybo's Law does not apply to enclinomena forms in mobile
>paradigms because they are phonologically unaccented. It could work when the
>accent is on the thematic vowel (thus in the middle syllable of a word), it
>doesn't matter the paradigm is mobile. Thus, Dybo's Law would apply to
>*b'abu > *bab'u, to *wilk'amu > *wilkam'u, but not to *'wilku because the
>latter is not really accented in the way *b'abu is.

I think it's much simpler and nicer to assume lateral
mobility in the mobile paradigms ab initio, and to assume
that Dybo's law simply doesn't apply at all to mobile
paradigms.


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...