Re: [tied] More Slavic accentology

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 35462
Date: 2004-12-15

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:05:54 +0000, willemvermeer
<wrvermeer@...> wrote:


Welcome to the group.


>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:15:35 +0100 (CET), mkapovic@...
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I have always
>> >wondered why do present's like *pec^et'e or *neset'e have *pekl'o
>and
>> >*nesl'o but I have never given it much thought.
>
>
>To this, Miguel Carrasquer reacted as follows:
>
>> Dybo's explanation (e.g. OSA, p. 36-37) connects it to the
>> merger of AP(b) and AP(c) verbs that took place in this
>> category (e-verbs with root ending in obstruent). We would
>> have had:
>>
>> B C
>> *bodlU' *ve``dlo
>> *bodla' *vedla'
>> *bodlo' *ve``dlo
>>
>> merging as:
>>
>> B/C
>> ne`slU (peripheral ne``slU)
>> nesla'
>> neslo' (peripheral ne``slo)
>
>One may want to compare Kortlandt's explanation of the same facts. He
>attributes the end stress in *vedl'o etc. to the fact that they were
>not subject to the stress retraction he calls "Ebeling's law" (Slavic
>Accentuation, 1975, pp. 5-6).

...because the syllable was closed by an obstruent.

I would normally prefer a phonetical explanation, but in
this case, the soundlaws suggested run into problems that
Dybo's systemic explanation doesn't have. I have already
stated some of my problems with the proposed "Law of
Slaaby-Larsen". My problems with Kortlandt's explanation
have been stated by Kortlandt himself: the proposed rule
does not explain pádla, ê'dla, sê'dla, possibly strígla and
some others. The explanation through some kind of
analogical extension of Hirt's law raises more questions
than it answers (why did it only work in the l-ptc. and not
for instance in the oxytonic o-stem neuters with acute root
such as the ones in -dló [dêdló, peNdló, stadló etc.]?).

The simplicity of Dybo's explanation is appealing: all AP(c)
verbs have l-ptc's which are mobile, except that the forms
are AP(b) in the one category where AP(b) verbs are (almost)
entirely lacking, and have merged with the AP(c) verbs:
e-verbs with root ending in an obstruent. It becomes even
nicer if there is actual hard evidence for it, but I would
have to know more about the Bulgarian and Ukrainian data on
which the reconstruction *nè`slU/o is based, before I can
evaluate that.


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...