Re: [tied] Re: Your historical timeline

--- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

>
> Theoretically you are right meaning there should be
> a possiblity of having a
> new city called "-dava" after Roman conquest. I
> guess one should try to see
> if there has been other parales which will speak for
> an such event before or
> after Roman conquest of Ilira & Dacia. I am afraid
> the facts speaks for a
> time before Romans.

****GK: There is a difference between "the facts
speak" and "Alex speaks" (:=)) In the Crimea, for
instance, when the Romans controlled the territory of
Chersonesus (1rst c. AD), they built an important fort
called Kharax in the Taurian mountains (a local
name).*****

Let see the paralels extraced by

> Pogirc where he compare
> the hidronomy and toponimy of Dacia with Ilira and
> where he finds more
> paralels as these between Dacia and Thracia propia
> dictam.
> I will quote his french text here:

*****GK: What is his source (or sources) for these
names? If it's Ptolemy, it's not decisive at all,
unless one can prove that Ptolemy was using much
older sources here.*****

>
> "Un nombre important de correspondances se troube
> aussi du c�t�
> illyrien(16):
> d. Apulum; ill. Apulia, d. Arpis; ill. Arpi; d.
> Arutela: ill. Arra; d.
> Bersobia: ill. Bersellum, Birziminium; d. Blandiana:
> ill. Blandona; d.
> Brucla: ill. Breuci; d. Burridava: ill. Burnum; d.
> Butae; ill. Butua, d.
> Certiae: ill. Certissa; d. Gazana: ill. Genzana, d.
> Malva: ill. Malvesa,
> Malvesatium; d. Netindava: ill. Nedinum, Netabium;
> d. Patavissa: ven.
> Patavium, d. Pirum, Piroboridava: ill. Piraei; d.
> Sarmizegetusa: ill.
> Sarminium, d. Trifulon: ill. Tribulium, ec."
>
>
> Interesting, huh? It appears a such ample
> corespondance (even if not 100%
> right) will comme to assist the ideea the mingling
> of the Ilirians with
> Dacians did indeed happen in the time of Getic
> Migration, some centuries
> befor Christus and not in the time of Romans.

*****GK: Just how important this "mingling" was
depends on the timeline for the emergence of these
topo- and hydronyms of course. And on the question of
the relationship between Illyrian and Dacian (i.e. the
possibility of there being certain similarities). In
any case there is no doubt that in the time of Strabo
and Pliny, the Dacians of Illyria (if there were any
at all) were a small minority which was not recorded
as having any significance either political or ethnic.
I prefer the testimony of ancient sources to the
retroactive speculations of modern writers based on
what seem to be rather uncertain points.*****




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