Re: [tied] Rom. tsarca - Lit. s^árka

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

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> Marius A: Not true either. Hungarian Slavic words reflecting CVrC
> derived in fact from Hungarian older form CVrVC (where the first V

is

> the epenthetic vowel and the rest of the cluster reflecting the

Slavic

> Methathetic form *CrVC ...like in 'szerda' < 'szereda' that clearly
> exemplifies my Rule above ... because Methatetic Slavic form was
> *sreda. (and not only Slavic clusters CrVC but Any CrVC cluster

was

> treated similar in old Hungarian)
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> In order to sustain my rule above (and until Piotr will post his
> examples 'with no epenthetic vowel' as 'normal rule') I post below

my

> examples that clearly shows this epenthetic vowel in today

Hungarian

> Slavic Loans and not only there:
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> 1. Hun. 'szerda' 'Wed.' < Hun. reg. 'szereda' < Sl. *sreda 'id.'
> (see also Hun. town name : 'Csikszereda' <-> Romanian 'Miercurea
> Ciuc')
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> 2. Hun. 'szer-encse' 'luck' <-> Serb.-Cr. 'srec'a' 'happiness;
> luck'

Reduction to CVrC is clearly blocked by the /n/.

> 3. Hun 'fogát csikorgatja' 'to gnash one's teeth ' <->
> Serb.-Cr. 'škrgutati' 'id.,'

Inconclusive without further explanation. It's not immediately
obvious to a non-Slavicist that there should ever have been a VrV in
the Hungarian.

> and of course also the others ones that I already posted :
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> 4. kereszteny < Christianus

Reduction to CVrC is blocked by the /t/.

> 5. karacsony < Rom. 'Craciun' 'Christmas'

This would be interesting if we had any confidence in the origin of
this word. Last year's discusssion of it did not come to any
confident conclusion.

So 'Hungarian Slavic words reflecting CVrC derived in fact from
Hungarian older form CVrVC (where the first V is the epenthetic
vowel and the rest of the cluster reflecting the Slavic Methathetic
form *CrVC' needs to be refined to something like 'Hungarian Slavic
words reflecting CVrCX derived in fact from Hungarian older form
CVrVCX (where the first V is the epenthetic vowel and the rest of
the cluster reflecting the Slavic Methathetic form *CrVCX (V a non-
nasal vowel)' where X includes V. Examples of this rule have
already been given. The qualified rule is still relevant.

Richard.