Hello Alex,
I. Piotr's rules posted Albanian 1,2,3
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*k'w > *c'W > *c^ > *c > s
*kW /+ > *c'W > *c^ > *c > s
*g'w > *3'W > *3^ > *3 > z
*gW /+ > *3'W > *3^ > *3 > z
ans some of his examples:
*k^we:r(h2)ah2 (or sim.) > *c^o:ra > sorrë 'crow'
*pekWo: > pjek 'bake, roast'
*penkWe (+ *-a:) > *penc^a > pesë, dial. pêsë (palatalisation)
*gWHermo- > *3^iärm- > zjarm 'fire' (palatalisation)
*dHogWHejo: (caus.) > (*en- +) *dä3^i > ndez 'set on fire' (palat.)
II. These rules are reflected at Orel like this:
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"Before front vowels, the clusters *kw and *gw changed to *k'w
and *g'w with a palatalized first element and (together with groups IE
*k^u_, *g^u_ > PAlb *k'w, *g'w) yielded *tsw, *dzw > *c^, *g^ > Alb
s, z (sjell, sy,pesë, zorrë, zë, zulë, zjarr, ndez). "
(where u_(=w),*c^, *g^ are my notations in order to can reproduce
here Orel's text)
III. Here is what Miguel posted once from Beekes
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"Some more etymological info, as per Beekes.
[...]
9) *kWe > se; *g(h)We > ze
*kWel- > sjell "turn",
*penkWe > pesë;
*gWe:rh3-na: > zorrë "intestines" [etym. insecure];
*gWherm- > zjarr "fire"
[but *h1en-gWhreh1-sk- > ngroh "(be) warm"];
*h1en-dhogWh-ei-e/o- > ndez "make fire, kindle"
12) *k^w > s; *g^(h)w > z
*k^we:rna: -> sorrë "crow";
*g^huonos -> zë "voice"
"
Only the Best,
Marius
P.S. :
Viewing now the examples above an taking a look
at 'sorrë' 'crow' is not clear enough for me:
e: > o: > o in
*k^we:r(h2)ah2 (or sim.) > *c^o:ra > sorrë 'crow' ?
Any help here?
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> The opinion of Orell regarding the palatal stops in Albanian is as
follow:
>
> regular : k^ > ts > th (thom, theri, thep)
> ocasionaly : k^ > c (ts)
>
> regular : g^ & g^h > dz > dh (lidh, vjedh, herdhe, madh, rrjedh)
> in Anlaut : g^> dh but g^h > d (dorë, dimër, dyllë)
>
> The IE "k" is preserved as "k" and IE "g" is preserved as "g".
>
> Reading this and thinking about one asks himself what about
Albanian
> "sorrë"? If the word as Orell here shows
> cannot derive from any *kor- or k^or, then is the word a loan? Or I
forgot
> something here since all the time the pair was kept as a true
cognate: Rom.
> "c^oarã" (cioarã) with Alb. "sorrë"
>
> Alex