Re: Alb. "vatër" ( it was (Re: [tied] Re: Albanian valle )

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From: Piotr Gasiorowski

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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:45 AM

Subject: Re: Alb. "vatër" ( it was (Re: [tied] Re: Albanian valle )

 

Dear Piotr:

 

Thank you for the information.

 

Let me state, before I ask a few more questions, that I have no point I am advancing (except possibly that the initial laryngeal might cause simultaneously a-coloration AND length).

 

1) In Hittite ha:ssa, do you connect the gemination with the final laryngeal?

 

2) Why can we not be consistent? Isn't *h2eh1[/3{s}] to be taken as equivalent to *h2ah1?

 

3) Aside from length [*a:], what reasons (if any) prompt the reconstruction of the second laryngeal?

 

4) Would you absolutely rule out a possible reduplication: *h2ah2[a]? I guess your answer is below. What would you expect the Palaic form to be if *h2 were the second laryngeal?

 

Pat

On 04-11-23 17:22, Patrick Ryan wrote:

>     derives from PIE *h2ah1- in
>      > *h2ah1-tr-; the a-colouring is from the root-initial *h2, and the
>     length
>      > from the root-final *h1.
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     <snip>
>     
>     On what basis is the second laryngeal designated h1 as opposed to h2
>     or h3?

The Anatolian cognates are Hitt. ha:ssa 'fireplace', ha:s, acc. ha:ssan
'potash', and Pal. ha:- 'be hot'. The Palaic root shows that the second
laryngeal was not *h2 (which would have been preserved). On the other
hand, given the consistent a-coloration of the root vowel (in those
branches that reflect the difference), at least one of the laryngeals
must be *h2. I've seen the 'burn' root reconstructed as *h2eh1/3(s)-. My
own preference for *h1 is motivated by the total absence of any
o-coloured forms, though admittedly we do not really know which
colouring effect gets the upper hand when *h2 and *h3 are adjacent to
the same vowel.

Piotr


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