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PIE root *a:ter- 'fire' > Albanian Geg <votër>, Tosk <vatër> is
> regular outcome, for PIE /*a:/ yields in Albanian /o/.
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I agree with Alex:
Once again one word -> one rule:
PIE a:- > PAlb ? > Alb va- ~ vo-
A second example will be welcome here for the rule above.
If not is impossible to accept a rule based on a single word.
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> The Geg "votër" will sustain that initialy there has been an "we:-"
> and this hypothesis is amplified by Romanian plural form with "e" in
> "vetre".
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I think as Alex that this is the single path to follow "we:-" or
something similar.
This e: doesn't generate 'ye' in Romanian (and Albanian) that is
the case for 'vatra'/pl.'vetre' (that is not 'vjatra')
See Lat. cre:do > Rom. cred (that is not 'cried' )
'Unfortunately' there is no e: in PAlb where e: > a:.
So we should find a similar source (maybe 3 (semi-)vowels) with
the same effect as e: that has to satisfy 2 facts:
a) -> no e > ye in Romanian forms 'vatra'/'vetre'
(as we have in Rom.'viezure' / Alb. 'vjedhull' - PAlb *wedz-)
b) -> to generate the alternance vo~ve in Albanian dialects
(In fact OldAlb *vae~voe (see Buzuku 'voe' 'egg')
I propose PAlb *wa:-ai-tra
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PAlb-Tosk *wa:-ai-tra >(lost a length)> *wa-ai-tra > (ai>e) *wa-e-tra
> OldTosk *va-e-tra > *vatra > vatër
PAlb-Geg > (length is kept;a:>o;ai>e)> *wo-e-tra > OldGeg vo-e-tra >
Geg *votra > votër
PAlb-Romanian *wa:-ai-tra > (lost a length as in Tosk) > *wa-ai-tra >
(ai>e) > *wae-tra > OldRom *wetra > *vetrã > (e>ea) > *veatrã > sg.
vatrã / pl. vetre
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So: PAlb *wa:-ai~*wa-ai> wa-e~wo-e > Rom.ve (>vea) - Alb va~vo
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So the PAlb(Dacian?) word was : (south) *wa:aitra/ (north)*wa:itra
Remain to find the PIE root.
Only the Best,
marius
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> >
> > PIE root *a:ter- 'fire' > Albanian Geg <votër>, Tosk <vatër> is
> > regular outcome, for PIE /*a:/ yields in Albanian /o/.
>
> it is right "a:" > "o"; that does not explain the "va-". There is no
> other word -so far I know- which shows an initial "va-" in Albanian
> and which derive from an IE root with an initial "a:"
>
> The Geg "votër" will sustain that initialy there has been an "we:-"
> and this hypothesis is amplified by Romanian plural form with "e" in
> "vetre".
> The Tosk "va-" should be the Romanian influence. Incidentaly Tosk
> dialect shares at most phonetical changes with Romanian , doesn't
it?
>
> Alex