Hello Piotr, Hello Abdullah,
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" Yoy are right, Abdullah. It fully qualifies as flogging a dead
horse."
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I already admited that I haven't enough Slavic knowledge and I can
added here : Greek knowledge either. See below in my message:
"But I admit that I don't have deep Slavic knowledge "
So first of all I want to apologize for my lack of Slavic and Greek
knowledge.
However the logic that you proposed here don't help you a lot and
is not conducted with a good willing to find out the truth viewing
(some of your remarks here).
I will resume your logic in order to sustain my afirmation above.
I will resume your logic below:
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As pre-requisite I want only to add that Albanian "valle"
Romanian "hora" and Bulgarian "horo" is the same dance. Same
movements , same rythm, same formation: really the same dance.
Do you know this? I suppose yes.
Next your scenario is the following:
Albanians plays this dance for pre-historic times naming it "valle"
maybe PAlb *walwo:- from PIE *wel-7....
But Bulgarians learn the same dance from Greeks (by the way the
Greek word that you proposed is not at all the name of this dance...)
or
Bulgarians having their own dance (by a strange coincidence the
same dance as Albanian 'valle') named this dance by loaning a Greek
word to named it...
or
Bulgarians learning the dance from Albanians not used the Albanian
name for it, but used a loaned Greek word for dance,music,etc.. to
name this dance.
On their turn the Romanians that shared in common hundred of words
with Albanians, and live together from (at least) before Decebal's
time (before 100AC) didn't know anything about the Albanians dances,
and especially regarding 'valle' dance, because they cannot or didn't
want to learn nothing about this one.
In contrary, Romanian are waiting for about 600-700 or 800
hundred years...in order to can learn this dance and/or especially
the name of this dance.
a) first The Romanians are waiting for Bulgarians to arrive in
Balkans (for about 500-600 years) in order to learn the dance
played 'each day' by Albanians that are near them in all this
period...
b) next the Romanians are waiting for Bulgarians to learn this
dance from Greeks or to learn the dance from Albanians and next to
loaned a Greek word in order to name it.
c) Finally at the end the Romanians decided or arrived to learn
this dance from Bulgarians after about for 700-800 years, when during
all this period they saw 'each day' this dance played by Albanians
that lived near them.
If this is the logic that you, Piotr and Abdullah, are trying to
sustain here, I'm sorry for it.
Now the logic that I proposed is the following :
I will resume my logic below:
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As pre-requisite I want only to add that Albanian "valle"
Romanian "hora" and Bulgarian "horo" is the same dance. Same
movements , same rythm, same formation.
Next my scenario is the following:
Albanians plays this dance for pre-historic times naming
it "valle" maybe PAlb *walwo:- from PIE *wel-7....
Romanian that share the same substratum with Albanians or have a
very close one, learned this dance at least in the times when the
name of the dance was *walwo:- (or someting similar) so in Proto-
Albanian (Dacian?) times...
When Bulgarians arrived in Balkans they learned this dance from
Romanians and of course also the word (at that time the word sound
very close to something like *horua / *horoa), maybe because the
Romanians where much closer to Bulgarians than the Albanians were at
that time.
(I want to add that there is no issue to derive Romanian hora
from PAlb *walwo:- PIE *wel-7 )
So Piotr, is possible to qualify my logic above like:
"It fully qualifies as flogging a dead horse."
and to consider your and Abdullah logic as the solution for this
topic ?
What should be the straightforward logic to follow here: mine or
your?
I'm sorry to say but your logic is not very logic here...
Best Regards,
marius
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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
> On 04-11-17 12:21, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > Konushevci: First of all, I can't understand in other way this
> > killing silence of other members, especially of very good Greek
> > scholars, than as some kind of soft protest against boring posts
on
> > known issues.
>
> Yoy are right, Abdullah. It fully qualifies as flogging a dead
horse.
>
> Piotr