Re: Albanian valle 'circular dance' - Proto-Albanian form?

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 35126
Date: 2004-11-16

Hello Abdullah,

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"I think that Bulg. <horo> and Rom. <hora> are Greek loans from <ho
khoros> 'dance', so I can't see any problem about its origin."
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An intervocalic -kh- is never lost in Romanian in any period that
I know from any source language that I know: Latin, Slavic and its
derived languages, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian...).
Also (but I admit that I don't have deep Slavic knowledge) as I
know such a lost is not common in Slavic language either.

If you know similar examples in Bulgarian or Romanian indicating
such a lost as you proposed here please post them.

As regarding my proposal:
Rom. 'hora' - Alb. 'valle' - PAlb *walwo:- (?)

in which we have:
PAlb. wa -> Rom. ua/uã > uo > o <-> Alb. va/vë

I already posted the following similarities for the equation above:

Rom. 'oare' 'interg. perhaps?' - Alb. vallë 'id.'
Rom. 'orb' 'blind' (reg.'uãrb') - Alb. vërbër 'id.' (Lat. orbus)

(and I could add others too)

In my opinion the 3 pairs above represent solid arguments
regarding my proposal.

Only the Best,
marius



--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Abdullah,
> > I think that Alb. <valle> 'circular dance' and Romanian
> > <hora> 'id.' is one and the same word having a Proto Albanian
> > (Dacian?) form a PAlb. *walwo:-/*walo:- (I'm not sure of it, from
> > here my question on Cybalist) from Pokorny root PIE *uel-7 'to
> round'.
> >
> > Bulgarian 'horo' cannot be considered as source of
> Romanian 'hora',
> > because the root 'uel-7' is obvious for Rom. 'hora'
> either 'circular
> > dance' (see at http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=hora&source=),
> and
> > Albanian form is also compatible (in fact is exactly the same
> related
> > to its meaning with the Romanian one).
> ************
> I think that Bulg. <horo> and Rom. <hora> are Greek loans from <ho
> khoros> 'dance', so I can't see any problem about its origin.
>
> Konushevci