[tied] Re: lat. nux, -cis - PIE?

Hello Piotr,

"We have no certain means of knowing whether the initial was PIE
*k or *k^, since no Satem language has the word."

Could Albanian "lajthi" ('hazel nut') to belong to the same root as
a compound word PIE *e:l + *V + *knei-k^-io: with the meaning 'kind
of brown nut' ?

Where e:l is a long form of Pokorny "el-1" 'red brown in the name
of tree or animals'

The Proto-Albanian form would be in this case : *al+wa+kneitsia >
*allaknitsa ?

Best Regards,
marius





--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

> On 04-10-31 02:39, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> > <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Could somebody help me with the IE derivation of Latin nux,-

cis

> >>and the IE suffixes that are implied here?
> >> Especially: do we have a -k^ in the IE suffix of Latin nux?
> >> Please add also, if possible, some cognates of Latin nux and
> >
> > their
> >
> >>derivations from PIE.
> >>
> >> Thanks and Best Regards,
> >> marius
> >
> > ************
> > To Bjorvand-Lindeman (VAEO, pp.676-677) the protoform of Nor.
> > <hnot>, OE hnutu, Lat. nux, cis should be reconstrued as *knew-,
> > zero-grade form *knu- (Grim's Law *k > h). Extended form *kne-H-
> > could explain Celt. *knu:s, gen. *knuwos > OIr cnu, cno; *knu-k
> > within Lat. nux, gen. nucis. So, ital.-celt. protoform should be
> > *knuH-, where Lat. gen. nucis < *knuk-es could be explained

through

> > switch *Hs > *ks.
>
> Raimo Anttila has speculated that the Latin word might reflect

*dnuk-

> with metathesis rather than laryngeal hardening, thus being closer

to

> Germanic *xnut- < *knud- than to the Celtic forms. We have no

certain

> means of knowing whether the initial was PIE *k or *k^, since no

Satem

> language has the word.
>
> Piotr