From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 34882
Date: 2004-10-28
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"Interesting, since the 'fate' meaning appears to be older in
> <BMScott@...> wrote:
>> At 10:36:00 AM on Thursday, October 28, 2004, Daniel J.
>> Milton wrote:
>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "A." <xthanex@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>> While I am here pondering the roots of various terms,
>>>> can anyone provide the etymology of the Norse term
>>>> "orlog"?
>> Properly <ørlo,g> 'fate', formally a plural of <ørlag>,
>> though I don't know that the latter actually occurs.
>> There seems to be an OE cognate <orlæg> 'fate'.
>>> 'Log' is the Old Norse for "laws" (and indeed source of
>>> the English word).
>> I believe that <ør-> is from *uz- 'from, out of'; I've
>> seen the word etymologized as *uzlagjan 'that which is
>> laid out'. That would make the second element related to
>> <lo,g> 'law(s)', but not identical. (OE <lagu> 'law'
>> would seem to be a borrowing of an older singular *lagu
>> rather than of <lo,g> itself.)
>>> I assume 'or' equals the German 'ur' "primitive", but
>>> this just my guess pending an authoritative answer.
>> German <ur-> is indeed also from *uz-, both in this sense
>> and in the privative sense seen in OHG <urtriuwi>
>> 'treulos'; if I'm not mistaken, the verbal prefix <er->
>> is the weak form of the same element.
> According to Bjovrand-Lindeman (VAEO, Oslo, 2000, pp.
> 690-691) <orlog> 'kamp, krig' (war), <orlogsskip> 'war
> ship'.
> Primary form IEW (687) is PIE *lewgh- in got. liugos.That would make the second element cognate with <-lock> in
> Zero-grade form yielded ketl. *lug-yo-n > OIr lugae, a
> verbal substantive of verb <tongid> 'swear'.