Re: Derivations 15 sun

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
>

[AM] Of yourse I ask here because I still think at a connection

> of "harmãsar" (stallion) with "herghelie" (stud farm); the
> semantic connection I see is as in German "Stute"(mare) and
> "Gestüt" (stud farm).

[AK]
Turkish word <hergele> 'horses' farm' is a loan from Persian
compound <khar> 'donkey> and <gele> 'herd>. So, they have nothng in
common.

>
>

[AM] You say "words ending in consonant" but which consonant here?
The

> Albanian form "hërm.shor" is a contracted form. For this is the
> word "harmãsar" in Rom. a clear testimony, so *harma should be the
> word you mean (with no final consonant) with two suffixes:
> *harma+su+or
> "su" as locative suffix as you say and "-or" as nominem agentis.
> Apparently it doesn't make too much light here, or do you see an

way

> to explain the meaning and the way it developed?
>

[AK]
Present participle passive in -mo <harm>, derived from *H1org^h-mo
is regular outcome (see even in standard Albanian <pam•je> 'view',
<mësym•je> 'attack'), so I am not aware of any <harma> or other
variants.

Alex
Konushevci