[tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao" <josimo70@...> wrote:

> A r/n root? H3er-en/r- ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alex" <alxmoeller@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun
>
>
> >
> > Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > > ************
> > > The root of word <eagle> is n-steme noun *H3er-(e)n-, that

yields >

> > > *or-(e)n-. attested in Hitt. nom. haras `id.', acc. hara-na-

an, gen.

> > > ha-ra-na-as, that explains the presence of laryngal /*H3/. The
> > > ending -s could be added later, as testifies got. ara < *H3ero

(n).

> > > Hitt. nom. pl. ha-a-ra-ni-is, got. nom. pl. arans are from PIE
> > > plural *H3eron-es. Greek has extended forms <orn-i-s> for m.

and f.

> > > and n. <orneon> `bird'.
> > > Celtic preform was *oriros without -n suffix.
> > > Snk. <irar> (and <ilar> with dissimilation r.r > l.r from

*iroros <

> > > *ororos with shift of /*o/ to /*i/.
> > > OChS has <orilu>, rus <orël> `eagle' from *orilos. In Baltic

branch

> > > we find lit. <erelis> with dialectal form <are:lis>, pruss.
> > > <arelis>), Latv. <e:rglis>, all with meaning `eagle'.
> > > In Armenian Bible text we find <oror> for Greek <laron> for

hebraic

> > > <shahaf> `crow'. (Bjorvand-Lindeman, VAEO, pp. 1089-1090.)
> > > I wander if the Alb. <orë> `fate', <orëprerë> `unlucky',

<njeri me

> > > orë> `lucky man', <trim me orë> `brave man', < i ha orën> `to

make

> > > someone weak', <Ora e Kelemendit, e Shalës.> `The Patron of the
> > > tribe Clementis, Shala.' (see <aar> in German compound
> > > <Edelaar/Adler>, <Fischarr>, <Mausaar>) could also take part

in this

> > > root, taking into account that birds name are related to fate

(cf.

> > > *kob- `be succesful', that derives in Eng. hap, happen, happy,

but

> > > in Sl. <kobH `(mis)fortune, augurium', <koban> `ghoulish',

entered

> > > also in other Balkan languages; Alb. <shkabë> ` black eagle',
> > > probably contaminated by *kopso- `id.', Sl. <kobac> `accipiter
> > > nisus' .).
> > >
> > > Konushevci
> >
> >
> > see Romanian "erete" (merlin), unkn. etym.
> >
> > Alex

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Armenian <oror/urur> with Celtic forms are seen as reduplificated
forms of *or-or(o) and *or-iro- (?).

Konushevci