Re: [tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun

--- Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:31:09 -0700 (PDT), Sean
> Whalen
> <stlatos@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Gothic has both sauil (<so:wil regularly) and
> >sunno:
> >
> > Avestan hvar@ (<suxar after loss of x and u>w);
> I
> >don't know enough about Avestan phonology to say if
> >the schwa would be standard here (perhaps from -i
> to
> >regularize nom.?).
>
> According to Beekes, /-r/ is always written <-r&:>,
> The
> underlying phonological shape is /hu'ar/ < */suh2l./
>
> >Also, gen. hu:ro: (<suxryas). I
> >don't know how to get [xv]e:ng; there's only one
> note
> >on it in my books.
>
> xv&:N < *swans < *sh2wens.
>
> This is an l/n-stem, which I derive from a stem in
> **-ln.
>
> The word is neuter in Indo-Iranian, and the
> development was:
>
> NA *s�h2waln => *s�h2w&lr > *s�h2wl. (> *s�h2l.)
> G *sah2w�lnas => *sh2w�lns > *sh2w�ns
>
> Elsewhere, the word is animate, and we have:
>
> N *s�h2walnz => *s�h2w&:lz > *s�:wo:l
> A *s�h2walnm => *s�h2w&lnm > *s�:ulm.
> G *sah2w�lnas => *sh2w�lns > *s(h2)w�ns
>
> Slavic has maintained the sequemce -ln- (sUlnIce <
> *sh2uln-ik-os).
>
> Another word that goes the same way is "eagle":
>
> *h2�:raln-z > *h2�ro:l
> *h2�:raln-m > *h2�rlm.
> *h2a:r�ln-as > *h2�rn(o)s

These are interesting changes, but I think they're
too specific. They may account for Avestan but need
complicated explanations for languages. Since there
are forms ending in l, (l)n and ly picking one as the
original still leaves other forms in need of
explanation by an affix. Choosing which one to pick
could be difficult. Are any of the above changes
confined to this word?

In my derivations I don't have r>n/_# or any roots
in ln, etc. Is there any chance of -ls>-ns by
dissimilation in Avestan (with an analogical genitive
like *suxa'l-s from the nom.)?


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