Re: [tied] Re: The role of analogy, alliteration and sandhi in coun

From: alex
Message: 34694
Date: 2004-10-16

Richard Wordingham wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com,
> "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>> The phonetic change of "kW" to
> "p" cann be
>> just one way I think:
>>
>> -the lost of velar and
> consonating of the frontal "w" to a
> clean labial,
>> thus kW > W > b/p
> An intermediate stage [w] (or [W])
> is quite unlikely. From Latin the
> route may be [kw] (cluster) > [kW]
>> [p], but an intermediate step may
> be unnecessary.
> Richard.


Richard, I try to let the theory on a side and the practic aspect on another
side. If theoreticaly any change can be made since there won't be any
problem to _write_ "s" > "a" the paractic aspect should be the one who say
something about the possiblity of a such change and the explanation should
be searchd in real life not on the paper.

The lost of the velar "k" or "g" should simplify the things. Why? Because we
do know of the easines of W > v or w > U or w > b (in face b,p and further
f, v beeing alophones of the same phonem; that is: b, p, f, v are all
variants of consonantic "w" at different levels). This way we can have
practicaly the change. Mentaining the velars there is no way to change of
"k" or "g" to p" simply it does not work, the difference is too big for
making it practicaly.
Thus, there remains these two ways:
-analogicaly due "sprachgef�hl" as Torsten mentioned, with living example as
in Rom. "piatr�/kiatr�" (stone), antic Ulpiana/Ulkiana, Lykos/Lupos ( for
that see again Rom. lukii/lupii "the wolves"
-lost of velar and from that point the things are easy how I supposed
before.

Practicaly it seems to me the easiest way to get it. That doesn't mean the
easiest way is always the true way:-)
What would say O�am here?

Alex