Re[2]: [tied] numbers {was: Venus}

At 1:15:32 AM on Monday, October 4, 2004, loreto bagio
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen
> <stlatos@...> wrote:

>> --- Richard Wordingham <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:

>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "loreto bagio"
>>> <bagoven20@...> wrote:

>>>> Actually with regards to the father, the son and the
>>>> holy ghost I can see them as the numbers eight, nine
>>>> and ten in IE-Semitic. See Spanish 'ocho', 'nueve',
>>>> 'diez' from PIE *okto: *newn *dekm . Perhaps the
>>>> ultimate idea is The old, the new, and the eternal.

>>> Loreto, this strikes me as a pure word-game, and as such
>>> has no place on Cybalist.

>>> Richard (moderator).

>> I doubt that nine and new are related in PIE, anyway. In
>> even the oldest known Greek, for example, the words are
>> ennewa and newos (e- in ennewa probably indicating it
>> began in a "laryngeal").

> Welcome to the game. How about 'novo'? Sorry to the
> moderators but you see everything here is such.

> And to continue please see that the japanese 'hachi' eight
> has near forms in IE. and so is the old Japanese for nine.

<Hachi> is Sino-Japanese and has 'near forms in IE' only if
one counts the most superficial resemblances. Old Japanese
'9' is <kökönö>, which so far as I can see bears *no*
resemblance to IE forms.

> Haque is an alternate to God in Arabic. It approaches the
> 'hage', bald in Japanese. Coincidences? Give your
> phonologic counter-arguments please. Wonder if you can
> use your phonologies, laryngeals, labials, trills,
> stops...etc... on these?

I agree with Richard: this is nothing but word-games,
seizing on every superficial resemblance that comes to hand.
Cybalist is not the place to ask about every random
coincidence that comes to hand. If you are proposing a
relationship between these words, the onus is on you to
offer real linguistic evidence for it, not to demand
counter-evidence.

Brian (moderator)