Re: [tied] Re: Aegir and Ran, etymologies

From: Joao
Message: 33983
Date: 2004-09-04

Aigaion is another name of hundred-handed Briareos. Could we sugest a non-IE *Aig- ? > PG *E:gijaz, Greek Aig-.
Or IE *Aiwi-gNyo-n "born with force" for Aigaion ?
 
But I think the only similarity between the two is weak, the marine trait. Aigaion is a powerful giant, whose role is decisive in the mythical battles (I think he has links to IE Vishnu-Vidar), and Aegir has a possible link to IE Apam Napat-Neptunus-Nechtan, a golden deity living underwater.
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From: mrcaws
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:18 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Aegir and Ran, etymologies

Probably a spurious similarity here, but what about a connection with
sea-god Aigaion, who was said to be an ally of the Titanes in Greek
myth? Their roles in myth seem relatively similar.

Cort


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@......>
wrote:
> At 2:12:34 AM on Thursday, September 2, 2004, Marco Moretti
> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao" <josimo70@...>
> > wrote:
>
> >> What are the etymologies for Norse Sea Gods AEGIR and
> >> RÁN ?
>
> > They seem to be pre-IE items, with difficult etymology. A
> > link between AEGIR (> *e:gijaz) and *akw- 'water' seems
> > very improbable.
>
> For what it's worth, de Vries derives it from a Gmc.
> *a:gWiaz, noting Faeroese <ægi> 'Meer' and OE <æg-weard>
> 'Wache am Meeresstrande' and <eagor> 'Meer, Flut' (which I
> think should be <æ:g-weard> and <e:agor>).  I'd have
> connected <æ:g-> with <e:g> 'island' (< *aujo: < *agwjo:),
> of which <æi> is an old form.
>
> > At this moment I haven't the faintest idea about the
> > origin of RÁN.
>
> He mentions several suggestions that have been made:
>
>   * 'die Räuberin', belonging to <rán> 'Raub, Plünderung';
>   * belonging to <ráða> 'walten', by way of *ráðn-;
>   * belonging to <rámr> 'heiser', hence 'die heiser
>     brüllende.
>
> Not much there.
>
> Brian