Re: [tied] Czech r^

It occures in some (south?)African languages. I think I once saw something
about something like r^ in one Italic language, but maybe that was some
dream of mine? :-/

Mate

> I remember rhotics were discussed a year or so ago. I seem to recall
> that someone said the notorious Czech r^ sound was not unique to Czech
> but occured in some other language as well. Did I dream taht up?
> Thanks,
> Harald
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> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Harald Hammarström wrote:
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>> Speaking of IE ten, what's Piotr's and you others' take on the etymology
>> of Russian devyanosto and its Old Polish counterpart?
>> Thanks
>> Harald
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>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
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>> > On 9/1/04 2:14 PM, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>> > > On 8/29/04 11:50 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote:
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>> > >>Well, if one starts counting on the fingers of the left hand, *dek^m
>> > >>or *dek^mt '10' might have meant something like 'right hand full'
>> > >>or 'rightmost'. With the former meaning, /mt/ _might_ be
>> > >>*met 'measure'. With the latter meaning, /m/ might be the
>> > >>superlative suffix. However, why then do we have *dek^m or *dek^mt
>> > >>and not *dek^sm or *dek^smt for '10'?
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>> > > Assuming that the *-s- of *dek^s- is some kind of detachable suffix,
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>> > > that *dek^- is an acceptable combinative form, one would expect, in
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>> > > hypothetical compound with *met-, *dék^-mot- in the strong cases,
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>> > > *dek^m.t- as its weak allomoprph. Why then do we have *-(d)k^omt- in
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>> > > decadic numerals? It seems to rule out *-m(e)t-.
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>> > > Piotr
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>> > An afterthought: if one wants *dék^m.t to be an analysable compound,
>> the
>> > only possibility I can see is *dék^-h1m.t- (gen.pl. *dk^-h1m.t-óm,
>> > compositional collective or animate stem *'-(d)k^-h1omt-). The second
>> > element could be *-h1m.-t-, an extended root noun derived from *h1em-
>> > 'take, get' (the *-t- extension is normal after root-final sonorants
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>> > laryngeals, cf. *-gWm.t- in compounds), with the approximate meaning
>> > 'taking'. What we gain is a natural explanation of the heterorganic
>> > sequence *-mt- and of the early disappearance of the initial *d- in
>> > *dk^-. Before a vowel we would expect a "thorny" treatment of *tk^- <
>> > *dk^-, but if a consonant (here, *h1) follows, the expected outcome
>> > involves the loss of the initial stop! I'm beginning to like this
>> idea.
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>> > Piotr
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