Re: [tied] Re: Thematic vowel etc

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 33883
Date: 2004-08-27

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:48:58 +0000, tgpedersen
<tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:58:23 +0000, tgpedersen
>> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>>
>> >> My question still stands: where have you ever seen an
>> >> asyllabic demonstrative? If the demonstrative is weakened
>> >> to a definite article, it may occasionally become assylabic,
>> >> but not if it remains as a demonstrative. Case in point is
>> >> Slavic tU, which should have become asyllabic after the loss
>> >> of the yers, but didn't (Russ. tot, Pol. ten, etc.).
>> >>
>> >
>> >But we're talking about two different things.
>> >As you probably know, Sturtevant thinks of the IE demonstratives
>as
>> >composed of sentence connective + enclitic pronoun (*so- + *-os ->
>> >*sos, *to- + *-om -> *tom etc).
>>
>> I didn't know that, but it strikes me as an utterly
>> unhelpful proposal.
>>
>Erh, I see.

Sentence connectives are not a very stable part of the
vocabulary. We cannot reconstruct any sentence connectives
for PIE, while we can reconstruct most of the demonstrative
pronouns in detail. Besides Hitt. nu, -ma, -ya, and archaic
ta, su, Hieroglyphic Luwian for instance has (a)wa, -ha and
-pa. Not a single match. And the one particle that has a
secure etymology (nu), is completely unrelated to the
demonstrative pronouns.


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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