Re: big-mouth 'brbljiv' or crazy 'brljiv' Milosevic

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> > > In the Tribunal against Milosevic many have translated,

probably

> > by
> > > mistake, big-mouth Milosevic, instead of <brbljiv> 'talkative'
> > with
> > > <brljiv> 'mad, crazy'.
> > > I made this vorschalg just for fun, for I am much more

interested

> > in
> > > the meaning of the adjective <brljiv> 'anger, crazy, mad' in
> South-
> > > Slavic and Alb. <bërlyket> 'to make sharp horns, to bellow

from

> > > anger', <bërlivet> 'to get crazy'.
> > > I wonder could these words can be related to PIE root *bherg-

`to

> > > break', extended in suffix –il (cf. Lat. fragilis `breakable')
> > > through metathesis g – l > l – g?
> > > It's quite interesting that English synonym <burst> is also
> > closely
> > > related to Alb. <sh-përthej> `to burst' (*st > Alb. th, like

*zd

> >
> > > Alb. dh).
> >
> >
> > Here's a Vorschlag for a cognate: German 'brüllen' "roar,

bellow".

> >
> > Torsten
> ************
> Thanks a lot, it seems that you find true cognate, about which I
> wonder too much. In Duden's (7) "Herkunfstwörterbuch" (2001) I

can't

> find this verb, so I doubt could it be of IE origin.
>
> Konushevci

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"The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!"

I thought that "burble" was a Lewis Caroll invention, but I find
in the American Heritage Dictionary:
burble
NOUN: 1. A gurgling or bubbling sound, as of running water.
2. A rapid, excited flow of speech.
3. A separation in the boundary layer of fluid about a moving
streamlined body, such as the wing of an airplane, causing a
breakdown in the smooth flow of fluid and resulting in turbulence.
INTRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: bur·bled, bur·bling, bur·bles
1. To bubble; gurgle.
2. To speak quickly and excitedly; gush.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English burblen, to bubble.

I'm not sure exactly what the Jabberwock was doing, but I have a
feeling that it could match what I gather from this
exchange "brbljiv" might cover in Serbo-Croatian.
The point (if any) is that "brbljiv" and "burble" seem to be
expressive, or even onomatopoeic, words, and may not have a clearcut
etymologies.
Dan Milton