Re: [tied] Tyrhennian affiliation

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 33198
Date: 2004-06-10

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT),
enlil@... wrote:

>Me:
>> Tyrrhenian *x > EtruscoLemnian *kH, or *w intervocalically or when
>> following sibilant.
>
>Miguel:
>> So what about marunuchva? And what about culs'cva?
>
>You mean marunucH-va? Note how "priest of Bacchus" is referred to
>in one attested phrase with /marunucH pacHanati/.

We have:

maru:
134 scurnas.m.a.maru.m.t.z.p.t.ril.XXXXV

190 statlanes.larth.velus.lupu.avils.XXXVI maru
pachathuras.cathsc.lupu

marunuch

137 ...[l]arisal.crespe
thanchvilus.pumpnal.clan.zilath[.mechl.]rasnas.
marunuch.[cepe]n.zilc.thufi.tenthas.marunuch.pachanati.
ril.LXIII

165 arnth.churcles.larthal.clan.ramthas.pevtnial.
zilc.parchis.amce
marunuch.spurana.cepen.tenu.avils.machs semphalchls lupu

234 arnth.leinies.larthial.clan.velusum
nefis'.ailf().marunuch.tef.esari.ru[va(m?)]
l[e..tes.velus?]amce

marunuchva

133 palazus.a.lr.puzts.ril.XXXXII
marunuchva.cepen.tenu.zilachnu

170 arnth.alethnas.ar.clan.ril.XXXXIII
eitva.tamera.s'arvenas.clenar.zal.arce.
acnanasa.zilc.marunuchva.tenthas.ethl.
matu.manimeri

171 avl[e.al]ethnas[.a]rnthal.cla[n.]thanchvilusc.
ruvfial.zilach...spurethi.apasi.svalas.marunuchva.
cepen.tenu.eprthnevc.eslz te[nu] / eprthieva eslz

175 [a]lethnas[.]a.v.zilch.marunuchva.za.....thz.zince....

maruchva

194 atnas.vel.larthal.clan.svalce.avil.LXIII.
zilath maruchva.(t)arils.cepta.phechucu


If marunuch isn't marunu-ch or a short form of marunuchva,
then there's maru-chva in TLE 194, with the collective
suffix -chva after a vowel.


>And what about
>culs'cva, anyways? Do you even know what it means?

It has something to do with Culsu, goddess of the
underworld.

>> The plural patronymics in -(i)s'-va- are always combined
>> with plural family names in -thu-ra (Aules' Larthial
>> Precuthuras'i Larthialis'vle Cestnal clenaras'i : For Aule
>> (and) Larth Precu, sons of Larth (and) of Cestna). Whatever
>> goes for praenomen-al-(i)s'-va- also would seem to apply to
>> gentilicium-thu-ra.
>
>What is *-tHu- supposed to be??

Some kind of relational suffix. Note in the above
<pachathur-> = Bacchantes.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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