Re: Bader's article on *-os(y)o

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, enlil@... wrote:

> Miguel:
> > Does this mean that you now accept the fact that in compound
> > nouns, PIE could stress either the root (proterodynamic) or
> > the suffix (hysterodynamic)?
>
> I always did, Miguel.

Oh, I thought you had some kind of Penultimate Accent Rule, which
forced you to consider *-to:r (*-mo:n, etc.) and *-té:r (*-mé:n,
etc.) to be different kinds of suffixes.

> I'll illustrate step by step with the proterodynamic paradigm:
>
> nominative:
> ROOT-m&n-s (after Thematicization)
> ROOT-m&.n-s (Schwa Diffusion -- *& lengthens before voiced *n)
> ROOT-man-s (Schwa Merger II -- *&. > *a)
> ROOT-mon-s (Vowel Shift -- *a > *o)
> ROOT-mo:n (Nominative Loss and Compensatory Lengthening)

Well, you're nearly there. All you need to realize now is that
your "schwa diffusion" also happens before voiceless segments (*méh1-
not-s, *nébh-os, *mag-yo:s, *wéid-wo:ts, etc.), and you can start
calling it "svarita lengthening".

> Miguel:
> > (i.e. *á > *é, *á: and *â > *ó/*o, *a > *& > 0, except when
> > lengthened before *-z, when we have *a > *& > *&: > *o,
> > initial accent rule for static roots).
>
> Considering:
>
> *-tár-âs ~> *'-t&r-os > *-tr-os
>
> You violate your own rules.

No: that's the _initial accent rule for static [/a:/ root vowel]
roots_.

> > So what is your theory exactly (preferrably in a form that
> > is machine analyzable by the Sound Change applier)?
>
> I've listed the rules in chronological order numerous times. Look
> above. See my examples. The rules are simple but I honestly don't
> know how to put it into your "machine form" as you request. If I
> take your examples to imply that the rules are seperated with "/"
> with the first segment being a search criterion, the medial segment
> being the result of the change, and the last segment showing the
> changing item "_" within the larger context of a word form, then
> I guess I sort of understand but how do you translate for example:
>
> Schwa Diffusion:
> posttonic *& > *&. before voiced segment
> pretonic *& > *I

C=bpstgk...
B=bdgmnlrwy...
S=áéíóú..
V=aáeéiíoóuú&I....
M=mn

&/&./S(C)(C)(C)(C)_B
&/I/_(C)(C)(C)(C)S

> Schwa Merger I:
> *& > *e
> *I in closed syllables > *e
> *I in open syllables > *i

&./X/_
&/e/_
I/i/_CV
* I/i/_V (?)
I/e/_
X/&.

> Schwa Merger II:
> *&. > *a

&./a/_

> Vowel Shift:
> *a not next to a labial segment > *o

a/X/_M
a/X/M_
a/o/_
X/a


-- Miguel