Re: Snorri on "Odin's journey"

From: tgpedersen
Message: 32179
Date: 2004-04-22

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > Kortlandt has
> > > recently proposed
> > > that Slavic contains loanwords from an otherwise
> > > unknown IE language
> > > he calls Temematic, which he proposes Slavic must
> > > have met and
> > > overrun.
> >
> > *****GK: This is most interesting. Do you have an URL,
> > or, barring that, some quotes and examples? =====
>
> I'll be back with a reference.
>
Frederik Kortlandt, An Indo-European substratum in Slavic, in
Bammesberger & Vennemann, Languages in Prehistoric Europe,
Universitätsverlag Winter, Heidelberg

The original discovery is due to Georg Holzer: Entlehnungen aus einer
bisher unbekannten indogermanischen Sprache in Urslavischen und
Urbaltischen (Wien: Akademie der Wissenschaften, 1989)

The developmnts in this language seems to have been:
PIE *p, *t, *k > b, d, g
PIE *bh, *dh, *gh > p, t, k
PIE *b, d, g unchanged
PIE *r, *l > ro, lo
long vowels shortened before resonant

Samples:

Ackerbau:
1. borzda 'Furche' < *borg'-da:- < pork'-ta:-, Latin porca, OHG furuh
2. proso 'Hirse' < *proso- *bhrso-, latin far 'Dinkel, spelt' etc

Viehzucht
10. *krotU 'gezähmt' (in derivatives) < *kroto < *ghrdho-, Gothic
garda 'Hürde, Viehhof', OCS ograda;
12. za-tvoriti 'schliessen' < *tworo- *dhworo-, Gr. thúra: 'Tür'
16. toliti 'Durst stillen' < *tol- < *dho:l-, Vedic dha:ru 'saugt',
Latin filius 'Sohn';
19. bolna 'Fell, Haut' < *bol-na:- < *pol-na:-, Gr. acc.pl.
pélla:s 'Häute', Latin pellis 'Fell', OHG fel;

Imkerei
26. troNtU 'Drohne' < *tron- <*dhro:n-, Gr. thro:naks 'Drohne', OHG
treno;

Bevorratung
27. prokU 'Vorrat, Rest' < *proko. < *bhrgho-, Gothic
bairgan 'bergen', Ru. beregú 'hüte, bewahre;

Gesellschaft
29. svobodI 'frei' < *swo-bodi- < *svo-poti, Vedic svá-pati- 'sein
eigener Herr', Latin sui potens 'unabhängig';
30. slobodI 'frei, könnend' < slo-bodi < *sl-poti-, OIC salr 'Saal,
Zimmer', OCS selo, Feld, Acker, Ort' etc
33. gojI 'Ruhe, Friede' < *gWojo- < *kWojo-, Av. S^a:iti 'Freude',
Latin quie:s 'Ruhe', OCS pokoi;

Zimmerei
38. dolga 'Brett, Fussboden' < *dol-ga:- < *tol-ka:-, German Diele,
OCS tUlo 'Boden';
41. tUkU 'zusammenpassend' < *tuko- < *dhugho-, Gr. teúkho: 'mache
zurecht', OE 'dugan' 'nützen, passen'

Sonstiges
42. g^vêzda 'Stern' < *g'woid-da:- < k'woi-ta:-, Vedic s´veta-
'weiss', Gothic hveits, OCS cvêtU 'Blume, Blüte';
43. pojetI 'singt' < *paje- < *bha:je-, Latin fo:r 'spreche, sage,
besinge, OE bo:ian 'prahlen, Slavic bajati 'erzählen, besprechen';
45. goloNbI 'Taube' < *golumbo- < *kolumbo-, Gr. kólumbos, Latin
columba;

Kortlandt places 'Temematic' originally close to Graeco-Phrygian
(because of the loss of voicedness in *bh, *dh, *gh > *p, *t, *k),
then for some time close to Daco-Albanian. The 'Temematic' speakers
supposedly moved into the area deserted by the Germanic speakers when
these moved to Germania. Kordtlandt speculates that a non-IE
substrate language influenced Italic, Celtic, Germanic, 'Temematic'
(wrt lenition of stops) as they moved into Europe.

Torsten