--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> Personally, I'm much tempted to see <Turingi>, the
> first Germanic
> self-designation (cf. Tacitus' remarks on the Tungri
******GK: Here is what Tacitus says: "Ceterum
Germaniae vocabulum recens et nuper additum, quoniam
qui primi Rhenum transgressi Gallos expulerint ac nunc
Tungri, tunc Germani vocati sint: ita nationis nomen,
non gentis evaluisse paulatim, ut omnes primum a
victore ob metum, mox etiam a se ipsis, invento nomine
Germani vocarentur." Translation: "The name Germany,
on the other hand, they say is modern and newly
introduced, from the fact that the tribes which first
crossed the Rhine and drove out the Gauls, and are now
called Tungrians, were then called Germans. Thus what
was the name of a tribe, and not of a race, gradually
prevailed, till all called themselves by this
self-invented name of Germans, which the conquerors
had first employed to inspire terror." According to
Tacitus (we're not interested in whether he was right
or wrong) "Germani" was the earlier designation, and
"Tungri" came later...*****
> (< Turingi?)) in
> <Tyrage-tae> (<-tae is the collective suffix).
*****GK: None of the ancient authors who mention the
Tyragetae (Strabo, Pliny, Ptolemy) consider them to be
Germanic. According to Strabo, they were the
easternmost people of the Getic continuum (cf. VII.3),
the Getae of the Tyras (Dnister).*****
The
> Thyringian
> Chronicle says the Tyragetae were the ancestors of
> the Thuringians.
*****GK: Could you give us the exact citation? Is this
not the German language chronicle composed c. 1420 by
a monk called Rothe? Didn't he also have a lot to say
about Troy (:=)) ?******
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