[tied] Re: Andere

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

> >
> > > >Vennemann proposes a Proto-Vasconic *grandi > (h)andi was

loaned

> > into
> > > >Romance (grand-) and Germanic (great, gross-).
> > >
> > > That's completely impossible.
> >
> > But, but! Vennemann has writen a long, fine article about it!

Which

> > part is impossible, the PVasc. > Basque or the PVasc. > Latin /
> > Germanic?
> >
> > (btw the PGmc should be *graut-)
> >
> >
> > > >Now you've made an orphan out of it;-)
> > >
> > > If you insist on a proto-Vasconic *grandi (> gara(d)i), Bq.
> > > garai means "high, tall".
> > >
> >
> > How about this:
> > "Language of geminates": *grandi-
> > loan into early Proto-Vasconic
> > *grandi- > (h)andi
> > loan into late Proto-Vasconic
> > *grandi- > gara(d)i-
> > loan into Proto-Latin (north of the Alps)
> > *grandi > grandi-
> > loan into Proto-Germanic
> > *grandi > *grãut- > *graut-
> >
> > so that the "language of geminates" becomes the donor? The
> structure
> > of *grandi- fits.
> >
> > I think I should presuppose here that the "language of geminates"
> is
> > not the IE Nordwestblock, but its non-IE predecessor.
> >
>
> In case you've been following the "grave" discussion (Greek tumpho-

,

> tapho-) in Austronesian, you will probably have noticed the
> similarity of the structure of that root complex to that of (non-

IE?)

> Nordwestblock root complexes (single/geminated, voiced/unvoiced,

pre-

> nasalised/non-prenasalised). If that indeed is where that root
> complex belongs, we can identify the donor language with that of

the

> megalith-builders.
>
> Torsten

Good Afternoon from Bilbao.

Your conjecture is All rigth. We are sure that the --Euskeras
language-- agglutinating no IE. Arrive to the Atlantic Sea like
migration in the Magdaleniense period from the north Caspio and Black
Sea area, in which, was the Atapuerca people impregnated. Best
regards. Enrique.