Re: [tied] Whence Grimm?

From: george knysh
Message: 31610
Date: 2004-03-30

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> So what I would like to know is: in what way does
> "the prevailing
> view" construe a path of continuity from the
> Przeworsk culture to the
> later Germanic speaking ones

I don't think it can
> be denied that
> Przeworsk was _a_ root of Germanic culture, but it
> seems those roots
> were widely divergent.

*****GK: The argument seems to run thus (there are
many sources for it; I have relied on the more recent
Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian literature):

The source of Germanicism in the east is the area of
the Jastorf culture which existed in North Germany and
Southern Scandinavia from the mid-first millennium BC.
Many Jastorf groups migrated eastward beginning ca.
300 BC, sometimes in conjunction with La Tene groups
(Celtic) sometimes independently. They mixed with
"local culture" groups there, and after a period of
co-existence contributed to the emergence of new
cultures most of which in the progress of time became
preponderantly Germanic as to language. Przeworsk was
one such culture. The early complex mix involved Celts
(La Tene) Germanics (Jastorf) and "locals" (Late
LUsatian, Pomorian etc.)of uncertain IE speech. By the
period of the Roman Empire, Przeworsk can be
associated with the historical Vandals. The claim is
not that P. is THE source of Germanic culture. It is A
Germanic culture. So when P. backflows into Jastorf
(as you say) it is as though one Germanic culture
mixed with another. It is believed that the earliest
attested name of a Germanic group in the east is that
of the SCIRI (Skiroi of the Olbian inscriptions). This
name was earlier analyzed on Cybalist. The date for it
is "sometime prior to 230 BC". The noted political
cooperation of the Germanic Skiroi and Celtic Galatae
(in the historical inscriptions) reflects the
archaeological data pertaining to Jastorf and La
Tene.*****
>
> Torsten
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