[tied] Re: Andere

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> > >Vennemann proposes a Proto-Vasconic *grandi > (h)andi was loaned
> into
> > >Romance (grand-) and Germanic (great, gross-).
> >
> > That's completely impossible.
>
> But, but! Vennemann has writen a long, fine article about it! Which
> part is impossible, the PVasc. > Basque or the PVasc. > Latin /
> Germanic?
>
> (btw the PGmc should be *graut-)
>
>
> > >Now you've made an orphan out of it;-)
> >
> > If you insist on a proto-Vasconic *grandi (> gara(d)i), Bq.
> > garai means "high, tall".
> >
>
> How about this:
> "Language of geminates": *grandi-
> loan into early Proto-Vasconic
> *grandi- > (h)andi
> loan into late Proto-Vasconic
> *grandi- > gara(d)i-
> loan into Proto-Latin (north of the Alps)
> *grandi > grandi-
> loan into Proto-Germanic
> *grandi > *grãut- > *graut-
>
> so that the "language of geminates" becomes the donor? The

structure

> of *grandi- fits.
>
> I think I should presuppose here that the "language of geminates"

is

> not the IE Nordwestblock, but its non-IE predecessor.
>

In case you've been following the "grave" discussion (Greek tumpho-,
tapho-) in Austronesian, you will probably have noticed the
similarity of the structure of that root complex to that of (non-IE?)
Nordwestblock root complexes (single/geminated, voiced/unvoiced, pre-
nasalised/non-prenasalised). If that indeed is where that root
complex belongs, we can identify the donor language with that of the
megalith-builders.

Torsten