[tied] Re: Decebalus, help needed

Soryy please read :
e:->a PIE *dhe:-w-a -> Dacian -dava

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

> Hello Abdullah,
> You wrote :
> "Usualy one will call his leader "Our Leader" not "Our

(folks_name)

> Leader)" is a argument more of others, like Harwey Mayer, that

think

> Romanians were not Dacians at all."
>
> I do not agree with this etymology for Decebalus. Here is my
> opinion :
>
>
> a) Identification of the Dacian roots :
> ----------------------------------------
> Decebalus seems to be a compound word.
> The split in 2 words : "dece" + "balus" is very probable due to
> others Dacian and Thracian toponyms that clearly indicates the
> existance of -bala/-balo root in Dacian and also in Thracian.
>
> Dacian and Thracian words containing the root "bala/balo/bali" :
> - Hertobalos - toponym on the Danube river
> - Triballi - thracian tribe
> - Dreibalis - antroponym found at Olbia
> - Decebalus - antroponym
>
> P^arvan - Getica pg. 227 :
> " Hotãrît thracice sînt apoi localitãþile de pe Dunãre,
> [Hertobalos] (Ptolem, II 14, 3: cf. de o parte
> [Herduskera] din pãrþile Pautaliei, iar de alta numele formate cu
> balla, balo: Tomaschek, II 2, p. 85 cu 58, ºi I p. 87 ºi urm.,
> poporul [triballi] "
>
> P^arvan - Getica pg. 243 : " Dreibalis "
>
>
> b) Identification of the PIE roots :
> -------------------------------------
>
> bhel-3 (Pokorny pag. 120-122) -> for Dacian : bal-os
> meaning: To blow, swell; with derivatives referring to various
> round objects and to the notion of tumescent masculinity
> see more details at : http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE51.html
>
> PIE _____________________Dacian
> bhel- -> (bh->b ;e:->a) -> bal-
>
>
> deuk- (Pokorny pag. 220) -> for Dacian : dec-e
> meaning : to lead
> see more details : http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE91.html
>
> PIE _____________________Dacian
> deuk- -> (eu -> e) -> dek-
>
>
> c) Check the Dacian Rules:
> ---------------------------
> a:->e PIE *dhe:-w-a -> Dacian -dava
> eu->e PIE *dhreu -> Dacian dru-,drub- : Drubetis -> Drobetis
>
>
> Question : Could somebody tell me if in the PIEs *dhreu or *skeud

we

> have a diphtong ?
> (as I supposed).
> I ask this because in my opinion in Diurpaneus we don't have a
> diphtong (e-us )
>
>
> d) Check the Albanian Rules (I will do this until the first
> contradiction)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> eu -> e : *skeud -> hedh "throw"
> e: -> a *meh1t -> *mat -> mot "year"
>
>
> e) "bal-" root common Albanian-Romanian root
> ---------------------------------------------
> As regarding "bala" root in Romanian and Albanian we have :
> <<Rosseti ILR II pag. 108>>:
> "balaur (ar. Balaura, n.pr. Capidan DR, II 810; megl. [prun~a]
> b~al~au'r~a "mare" adj. Capidan, Megl.,III.s.v.) - s.m "dragon,
> hydre; monstre" : alb. bollë "grosse Schlange", g.
> bullar "Wasserschlange", s-cr. blavor, blavorak, blavur, blor "Art
> grosser Schlagen" (Baric, Albanorum. [...]) "
>
>
> So in my opinion "Decebalus" means something similar with :
> "The Frightful Ruler" / "The Sinewy Ruler" / "The Bold Ruler" /
> "The Brave Ruler" / "The Great Ruler" / .
>
> (and the root is common to Dacian, Albanians and... Romanians).
>
> Best Regards,
> marius alexandru