[tied] Re: Decebalus, help needed

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 31001
Date: 2004-02-12

Hello Abdullah,
You wrote :
"Usualy one will call his leader "Our Leader" not "Our (folks_name)
Leader)" is a argument more of others, like Harwey Mayer, that think
Romanians were not Dacians at all."

I do not agree with this etymology for Decebalus. Here is my
opinion :


a) Identification of the Dacian roots :
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Decebalus seems to be a compound word.
The split in 2 words : "dece" + "balus" is very probable due to
others Dacian and Thracian toponyms that clearly indicates the
existance of -bala/-balo root in Dacian and also in Thracian.

Dacian and Thracian words containing the root "bala/balo/bali" :
- Hertobalos - toponym on the Danube river
- Triballi - thracian tribe
- Dreibalis - antroponym found at Olbia
- Decebalus - antroponym

P^arvan - Getica pg. 227 :
" Hotãrît thracice sînt apoi localitãþile de pe Dunãre,
[Hertobalos] (Ptolem, II 14, 3: cf. de o parte
[Herduskera] din pãrþile Pautaliei, iar de alta numele formate cu
balla, balo: Tomaschek, II 2, p. 85 cu 58, ºi I p. 87 ºi urm.,
poporul [triballi] "

P^arvan - Getica pg. 243 : " Dreibalis "


b) Identification of the PIE roots :
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bhel-3 (Pokorny pag. 120-122) -> for Dacian : bal-os
meaning: To blow, swell; with derivatives referring to various
round objects and to the notion of tumescent masculinity
see more details at : http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE51.html

PIE _____________________Dacian
bhel- -> (bh->b ;e:->a) -> bal-


deuk- (Pokorny pag. 220) -> for Dacian : dec-e
meaning : to lead
see more details : http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE91.html

PIE _____________________Dacian
deuk- -> (eu -> e) -> dek-


c) Check the Dacian Rules:
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a:->e PIE *dhe:-w-a -> Dacian -dava
eu->e PIE *dhreu -> Dacian dru-,drub- : Drubetis -> Drobetis


Question : Could somebody tell me if in the PIEs *dhreu or *skeud we
have a diphtong ?
(as I supposed).
I ask this because in my opinion in Diurpaneus we don't have a
diphtong (e-us )


d) Check the Albanian Rules (I will do this until the first
contradiction)
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eu -> e : *skeud -> hedh "throw"
e: -> a *meh1t -> *mat -> mot "year"


e) "bal-" root common Albanian-Romanian root
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As regarding "bala" root in Romanian and Albanian we have :
<<Rosseti ILR II pag. 108>>:
"balaur (ar. Balaura, n.pr. Capidan DR, II 810; megl. [prun~a]
b~al~au'r~a "mare" adj. Capidan, Megl.,III.s.v.) - s.m "dragon,
hydre; monstre" : alb. bollë "grosse Schlange", g.
bullar "Wasserschlange", s-cr. blavor, blavorak, blavur, blor "Art
grosser Schlagen" (Baric, Albanorum. [...]) "


So in my opinion "Decebalus" means something similar with :
"The Frightful Ruler" / "The Sinewy Ruler" / "The Bold Ruler" /
"The Brave Ruler" / "The Great Ruler" / .

(and the root is common to Dacian, Albanians and... Romanians).

Best Regards,
marius alexandru