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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> > It can be this message will appear two times. I re-write it since
> > until now I could not see the message on the list.
> >
> >
> > prallë; shtok; shur (not "shurr" but "shur"); tuvlë; vgjê;
> > vrri
>
> [AK]
> <përrallë> 'fairy-tale'
> <shtok?> maybe <shtog> 'elder, elder-berry'
> <shur>, probably <zhur> 'coarse sand, gravel'
> <tuvlë>, probably < tullë> 'brick, bald head'
> <vgjê>, maybe plural of <vig> 'presents'
> <vrri> 'winter pasture'
> <ngalkonj>, probably variant of <ngarkoj> 'to charge'
Hmmm, first thank you.
prallë= Geschichte < parabola
shtok = Holunder < sabucum
shur = Schotter < saburra
tuvlë = Fussbodenplatte, Ziegelstein < *tub(u)lum
vgjê = Allepo-Kiefer < abiegniu
vrri = Winterveide < hibernium
OK it appears more clear to me now since shtok and shur are the shtog
and zhur which are given in as alternative in a separate capitel.
On the first view, without verifying the Latin meanings, two
etymologies appear to be erroneus:
-vrri (vërri) which is in fact Rom. " a vãra" and cannot derive from
any "hibernare" but from "var-"
This contradiction appears more clear when the same word, with other
suffix, namely "hibernalia" is supposed to have given Alb. "mërrajë,
maraj" which means Fenchel.
Incidentaly both words are presnt in Rom as well "a vãra" and "vãrat"
(for Alb. vërri, vrri, in the same pastoral conotation) and the word
in Rom. which means "Fenchel" is called "mãrar";
Thus we have:
vërri ~ vãra
mërraje ~ mãrar
both these words are supposed to derive one from "hibernium" and
second from "hibernalia" if the Alb. etymologies should be right.
that they are not right, it is profed by Rom. words which cannot
derive 100% from the supposed Latimons as "hibernus" and "hibernalia"
I can hardly smile. For sure there should be found other Latin (?)
etymons for these words, but these kind of etymologies are these who
have been presented by serious people which have a reputation, know
phonetical laws or , worse, the make such phoetical laws.
Does anyone doubt about the Alb. "vërri", "mërraj" as not being
cognates with Rom. "vãra", "mãrar"? Does anyone see here
any "hibernus" and "hibernalia" here? I don't.
Alex