Re: [tied] American dialects, correction

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 02-02-04 13:40, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > Amsterdam and Rotterdam Dutch has retroflex r's, as does
> > Standard American, _unlike_ New England and Southern.
>
> So what kind of /r/ do New England and the South have? As far as I

know,

> American English /r/ is generally realised as a postalveolar
> approximant, more often dorsal ("bunched") than apical or subapical
> ("retroflex"). General American is no different than the rest.
>

We discovered we were talking about post-vocalic /r/'s. AfaIk, they
are dropped in New England and Southern, and retroflex in Standard,
and colors the previous vowel. And no matter what you want to call
it, it exists in city Dutch too. Next time you are in Holland, listen.

Torsten