Re: Albanian, Romanian & Italian phonologic systems

M Iacomi wrote:
"So that makes 6 or 7 differences for Albanian to 1 for Italian."

Please counts not only the italians dialects but the italian
immigrants too. You will obtain a better score :
"...that makes 6 or 7 differences for Albanian to 0 for Italian."

Happy with this new result, isn't it?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "m_iacomi" <m_iacomi@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
>
> > Based on a more accurate inventory, I count 10 differences between
> > Albanian and Romanian:
> >
> > Alb Rom
> > 1 /y/ y --
> > 2 -- /I/ â
> > 3 /k^/ q --
> > 4 /g^/ gj --
> > 5 /dz/ x --
> > 6 /T/ th --
> > 7 /D/ dh --
> > 8 /n^/ nj --
> > 9 /l~/ ll --
> > 10 /r:/ rr --
> >
> > And I count 9 differences between Romanian and Italian:
> >
> > Ita Rom
> > 1 -- /&/ ã
> > 2 -- /I/ â
> > 3 /E/ è --
> > 4 /O/ ò --
> > 5 /dz/ z --
> > 6 -- /z^/ j
> > 7 -- /h/
> > 8 /n^/ gn --
> > 9 /l^/ gl --
>
> This holds of course for standard literary languages.
> Taking into account other dialectal forms, it turns out that
> Italian knows also /&/ (widespread, mostly in Southern dialects
> around Naples), /z^/ (in the Northern dialects) and /h/ (as usual
> pronounciation of non-palatalized initial "c-" in Tuscany - Rohlfs),
> so the only canonical Romanian phoneme really missing from Italian
> including dialects is the late innovation /1/ ("â/î"). On the other
> hand, Aromanian (and regional Daco-Romanian) still use Common
> Romanian phonemes /n^/ (written "n'" or "ñ" in AR), /l^/ (written
> "l'" or "lj" in AR) and /dz/, while regional DR has all kinds of
> vowel pronounciacion, including /E/ and /O/ phonologically distinct.
> So for the counting one can actually leave aside most elements from
> the Italian/Romanian list.
> On another hand, one should note that Albanian /r/ is not at all
> pronounced like in Romanian & Italian but more like in English
> (say, in "frame" or "right", for not making it post-vocalic...).
> So that makes 6 or 7 differences for Albanian to 1 for Italian.
>
> Regards,
> Marius Iacomi