Re: [tied] Genetic Link between Albanian and Romanian

Hello Miguel,
Now regarding your real arguments ONLY one reserve here:
It is easy to count as 1 all the differences even they a smaller
ones.


Alb Rom

1) /y/ y -- = 1

1.5) Sorry but I cannot count this as 1(ONE): its only a variant
of /&/ ã
--> 2 -- /I/ â -- I count it = 0.5

2) a) /k^/ q -- 4 = 0.5
b) /g^/ gj -- = 0.5
(there is not for nothing that they put 2 sounds in the same
square (see urls)...because they act like pairs), also these 2 sounds
even different are very closed to the romanian ones )

3) /dz/ x -- = 1

4) a) /T/ th -- = 0.5
b) /D/ dh -- = 0.5 (again we have pairs here)

5) /n^/ nj -- = 1

6) /l~/ ll -- = 0.5

7) /r:/ rr -- = 0.5

Note on 6) and 7) : I wouldn't insisted so much with rr and ll
differences regarding r and l. You counted them as 1 only to increase
the differences with Albanians
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Total : 6.5


And I count 9 differences between Romanian and Italian:

Ita Rom
1) a) -- /&/ ã = 0.5
b) -- /I/ â = 0.5
2) /E/ è -- = 1
3) /O/ ò -- = 1
4) /dz/ z -- = 1
5) -- /z^/ j = 1
6) -- /h/ = 1
7) /n^/ gn -- = 1
8) /l^/ gl -- = 1
--------------------------------------
Total : 8.0


Even taken your approach , the Romanian is closer related with
Albanian than Italian is.

Best Regards,
marius alexandru

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:09:47 +0000, alexandru_mg3
<alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
>
> > the TRUTH IS that Romanian Phonetic System is much closer to
> >Albanian Phonetic System!!!
>
> Actually, it isn't.
>
> > The results of this differences are the following :
> > (I counted 1 square = 1 difference (see below urls) -> but this
is
> >just a simplication , you can look next on each detail)
> >
> >Vowels System: Romanian versus Albanian = 1 differences
> > (almost
identical)
> >Consonants System: Romanian versus Albanian = 4 differences + 2
> >shifts
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

> > TOTAL = 5 differences + 2
shifts
> >
> >
> >Vowels System: Romanian versus Italian = 3 differences
> >Consonants System: Romanian versus Italian = 6.5 differences
> >----------------------------------------------------------------
> > TOTAL = 9.5 differences
> >
> > Note :
> > I considered the Albanian "d" "t" only a shift of Romanian/
> >Italian "d" "t" and not different sounds and also I considered "a
> >shift" the fact that "n" could be generated in two modes in
Albanian.
>
> There are several problems here. Your charts are bad, and you
cannot
> count.
>
> Based on a more accurate inventory, I count 10 differences between
Albanian
> and Romanian:
>
> Alb Rom
> 1 /y/ y --
> 2 -- /I/ â
> 3 /k^/ q --
> 4 /g^/ gj --
> 5 /dz/ x --
> 6 /T/ th --
> 7 /D/ dh --
> 8 /n^/ nj --
> 9 /l~/ ll --
> 10 /r:/ rr --
>
> And I count 9 differences between Romanian and Italian:
>
> Ita Rom
> 1 -- /&/ ã
> 2 -- /I/ â
> 3 /E/ è --
> 4 /O/ ò --
> 5 /dz/ z --
> 6 -- /z^/ j
> 7 -- /h/
> 8 /n^/ gn --
> 9 /l^/ gl --
>
>
> Alb: p b t d k g k' g' c 3 c^ 3^ f v T D s z s^ z^ j h m n n^ l
l~ r rr
> q gj c x ch xh th dh sh zh nj
ll rr
>
> a e i o u y &
> ë
>
> Rom: p b t d k g c c^ 3^ f v s z s^ z^ j h m n l r
> a e i o u I &
>
> Ita: p b t d k g c 3 c^ 3^ f v s z s^ j m n n^ l l^ r
> a e E i o O u
>
>
>
> > This GREAT similarity could only be explained by a GENETIC LINK
>
> Nonsense. Similar phonological systems have *nothing* to do with
genetic
> affiliations.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...