Re: Genetic Link between Albanian and Romanian

Hello,
Sorry to come back : the real check would be to compare the early
proto-romanian phonetic system with early proto-albanian phonetic
system...

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I took a look and on the Romanian Phonetic System and :
>
> a) I compared with Italian Phonetic System based on the

assumption

> that Italian is the closest Romance language to Romanian (that is
> considered a Romance language too).
>
> b) next I compared Romanian with Albanian Phonetic System based

on

> the assumption that Romanians and Albanians could be once the same
> ancient people, the Dacians, part of them fully Romanized:

Romanians,

> part of them partial Romanized : Albanians. (also I wanted to check
> again the "loan theory" that said that Romanian ONLY borrowed some
> words from Albanian due to a vicinity of some hundred years, but
> there is NO genetic link between the 2 languages, so No Dacian
> inheritances are kept in Romanian )
>
> Well for sure that "our Latinists" will bet that the Romanian
> Phonetic System have to be closer to Italian Phonetic System,

because

> the Romanian is a Romance Language, sin't it ? (you remembered also
> that the same argument is used to deny the Romanian h-substratual
> theory) but....
>
> the TRUTH IS that Romanian Phonetic System is much closer to
> Albanian Phonetic System!!!
>
> The results of this differences are the following :
> (I counted 1 square = 1 difference (see below urls) -> but this

is

> just a simplication , you can look next on each detail)
>
> Vowels System: Romanian versus Albanian = 1 differences
> (almost identical)
> Consonants System: Romanian versus Albanian = 4 differences + 2
> shifts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>

> TOTAL = 5 differences + 2

shifts

>
>
> Vowels System: Romanian versus Italian = 3 differences
> Consonants System: Romanian versus Italian = 6.5 differences
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> TOTAL = 9.5 differences
>
> Note :
> I considered the Albanian "d" "t" only a shift of Romanian/
> Italian "d" "t" and not different sounds and also I considered "a
> shift" the fact that "n" could be generated in two modes in

Albanian.

>
>
> In Conclusion: Despite the fact that Romanian is a Romance
> Language, the Romanian Phonetic System is much closer to the

Albanian

> Phonetic System than to Italian one.
>
> This great similarity with Albanian cannot be explained by an
> existing vicinity (that could existed as well) between the 2
> languages (the Romanian were geographically closer with Hungarians
> for 1000 years and with Slavs even more, around 1400 years, but
> theirs phonetic systems are NOT AT ALL closer each one)
>
>
> This GREAT similarity could only be explained by a GENETIC LINK
> between Romanian and Albanian as both languages derived from an
> Ancient Balkan language : the Dacian (I used "genetic link" as a
> linguistic term not as a biological one, and as result this is
> another argument against the "loans theory").
>
> Despite how many foreign languages somebody learned (like Latin
> in case of the pre-romanian (Dacians)), the "inherited" sounds that
> somebody have, will be the last ones that will be lost (even when
> somebody forget all the words from the previous language). Every
> sound in Romanian exists also in Albanian. The Albanians added
> (/transformed the existing ones to) new sounds, BUT they didn't

loose

> any of the Romanian ones.
>
> Please take a look at :
> http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent/nl-ipa/albanianipa.html
> http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent/nl-ipa/romanianipa.html
> http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent/nl-ipa/italianipa.html
>
> (I want to thanks to LISA for these urls)
>
> Best regards,
> marius alexandru