Re: [tied] Romanian Development of /st/ (was: Against ... 'Albanian

Miguel Carrasquer wrote:

>>> /j/ is regularly lost after /r/: *grEvu > *grievu > greu.
>>
>> grevis > PBR grevis
>> rivus > PBR rEvus > r�u:
>
> Bullshit. ri:vus > rivu > riu > r�u.

mia culpa. rivus has long "i:" thus, no /E/;

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> The change i > � occurs after initial r- only.

and before /n/ in any other position

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>> /e/, /E/ does not get lost after /r/ but it became "�"
>
> Bullshit and non sequitur. I said /j/ gets lost after /r/, I never
> mentioned /e/ or /E/. Neither /e/ nor /E/ give � after /r/, only /i/
> does, and only after initial r-, never after something like gr-.

thus, with other words the famous "E" is just in fact the iotacised "ie".

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>> my two cents about "grevis". there is no need for this supposed
>> change of you grevis > grEvu > grievu < greu
>
> No need if you don't know or don't care about regular sound
> correspondences, in which case you're in the wrong forum.
>
> Romance open /E/ gives pre-Romanian /ie/, always (grEvu > grieu).
> Then the palatal glide is lost after /r/.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

the palatal glide should undergone the same change as normal "i". It can be
my ignorance but I don't know about any grieu. Or do you intended to write
*grieeu?