Re: [tied] Re: Tor/Tur/(e)

At 10:39:35 AM on Thursday, January 15, 2004, bagoven20
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
> <marcomoretti69@...> wrote:

>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bagoven20" <bagoven20@...>
>> wrote:

>>> Hi, can someone give an opinion on the possibility of
>>> connecting the titan Atlas with Thor.

>> There's no similarity at all.

> Yes, at first glance there is no similarity. There is
> again no similarity if you dig second further. Thor is a
> Norse God of Thunder, I believe main defender of Asgard.
> While Atlas is the main hero of the Titans against Zeus
> and his brothers. But again see below .

>>> You see, the Pleiades which were seven daughters of
>>> Atlas are called 'Thuraya' in Arabic.

>> Impossible. /Thor/ < /*Thunaraz/.

> Therefore it is not within Germanic or IE. Since this
> *Thunaraz is either Proto-Germanic or Proto-IE.

PGmc; the PIE root is, I believe, *(s)tenh2-, which also
underlies Latin <tona:re> 'to thunder'.

> And it has *. The asterisk seem to be more related to
> 'Thor'. Stellar?

The asterisk is a standard notation for an unattested form.
It refers specifically to the form /Thunaraz/.

>>> I seem to think that Tur-/Tor- roots are related to the
>>> following: three, thunder, mountain, teaching, star,
>>> law, point, bull and so many more.

>> It is not possible. This is not a scientific methodology
>> but chance resemblance.

> Probably chance resemblances but the chance resemblances
> may actually prove to be unbroken line of connections.

If they are _chance_ resemblances they are by definition
meaningless.

[...]

>>> In Roman myths is Saturn the cognate of Thor (if the
>>> 'seven' connection is dismissed) although the equivalent
>>> of Greek Cronos?

>> Sorry, all this doesn't work.

> Can you explain why it doesnt work?

He did. You've found some things that vaguely resemble
<Thor>, but <Thor> is irrelevant, since the PGmc. name was
*/þunaraz/.

Brian