Re: [tied] Baltic-Slavic disintegration

From: george knysh
Message: 29590
Date: 2004-01-14

--- Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...> wrote:

>
> Not all archaeologists agree that the Sabatinovskaya
> c. is a phase of the
> Srubnaya one:
> http://bronza-lib.narod.ru/g/gershkovich1995.html
> I don't have my own opinion here, but the variant
> KMK [mnogovalik. keram.] >
> Sabatinovka > Noua (i.e., the "Thracian variant")
> seems me more interesting
> than Srubnaya > Sabatinovka (the "Aryan variant").

*****GK: The usual view is that Zrubna in the West
goes through three phases: Early, Sabatynivka,
Bilozerska. The Early phase is almost exclusively
"pastoral" and "nomadic", with classic "zrub" burial
rite. The Sabatynivka phase involves massive "land
settlement" and "agriculturalization". The classic
"zrub" rite disappears, though elements thereof
remain. It is assumed that the preceding population
("Bahatovalykovoji keramiky" =your KMK=)provides the
assimilated substrate. This phase is one of very close
contacts with the Noa culture, which the usual view
holds to be an independent "Thracian" culture with
roots in Romania and Moldavia. Actually this Noa
culture is quite interesting, since it affected the
nearby Komariv c. and is deemed responsible for the
northward spread of the Thrakoid culture (and
presumably speech) which persisted on the Right bank
through the classical Scythian period. If Gershkovich
is right, and Sabatynivka does not belong to the
Zrubna complex, but is part of a Noa/Sabatynivka
continuum then the "Thracization" of the Right bank
acquires additional elements. But what does G. say
about Bilozerska? The usual view sees this late Zrubna
culture as a direct continuation of Sabatynivka,
lasting until Cimmerian times.=== BTW when you say
"Aryan variant" do you mean "Pontic Aryan"? In that
connection one might argue that if (as many believe)
the Zrubna was an amalgam of Indic and Iranic tribes,
and Sabatynivka is located on the southern Boh, called
Hypanis in Scythian times, the name was brought in by
Pontic Aryans(perhaps already by the KMK?)...


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