Re: Tor/Tur/(e)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "m_iacomi" <m_iacomi@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

>
> >> "Zürich" is a corrupted germanized form of Latin "Turicum" --
> >> the name Romans give to the city they founded in 15 B.C. -- which
> >> has nothing to do with "Thor", being probably connected to Celtic
> >> "dur" `water`.
>
> > Full of Tur-/Tor- names. As for what *tur- in Turicum is, none of
> > us can say.
>
> Well, a 100% safety would be excessive, but since:
> a) the city was founded by Romans in 15 B.C. and called "Turicum";
> b) first inhabitants were Celtic lake dwellers;
> c) "dur" means `water` in Celtic;

Thus, in the local Celtic, /d/ > /t/, but no change in /k/?

> d) there were no "Thor"-inspirational sources in immediate vicinity
> of the city at Roman establishment: Alamans came centuries later;

Circular.

> ... there is little hope for "Thor" being the root for Latin name
> "Turicum" (for which a Celtic origin looks most likely).
>
> > I'm just observing that the element *tur- is all over the place.
>
> Which place? Examples?!

In the link I gave.

> Outside Germanic area, why on earth should a geographical unit
> name containing the initial _string of characters_ "tur-" or "tor-"
> assigned a particular meaning to that string (as "element"), and
> further assumed that meaning has to be related to "Thor"?! That
> sounds pretty bad for usual pertinence standards in linguistics.
> Not every "tur" ("tor") in the world has something to do with your
> favorite matching god name (for instance, Romanians have "tur" as
> legitimate word meaning `trousers' posterior` but I wouldn't relate
> it even for a joke with the mighty Thor...).

Last someone went ballistic I think my favorite God's name was Odin?

I proposed that Snorri's account of Thor's stay in Thrace meant that
he was known in Europe Beyond and before any Germani. As
counterargument you offer that everyone knows that's not true.

Torsten