Tor/Tur/(e) [Re: Vanir,etc.]

From: tgpedersen
Message: 29548
Date: 2004-01-14

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "m_iacomi" <m_iacomi@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti" wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" wrote:
>
> >> I suspect WGmc *þonar- vs. NGmc *þorr. Acc. to Snorri, Thor is
> >> much older than Odin [...]
>
> Statement (1).
>
> >> [...] he live in Thrace [...]
>
> Statement (2).
>
> >> [...] and Europe is filled with Tor/Tur- placenames
>
> Statement (3).
> The word "filled" sounds somehow odd in the context, but for the
> sake of the argument, let's accept (up to paragraph's end...) that
> (3) is valid.
> What is the link between {(1),(2)} and (3)?
>
> >> (Zürich, Torino etc)
>
> Bad examples (if some link between {(1),(2)} and (3) is meant).
> "Zürich" is a corrupted germanized form of Latin "Turicum" --
> the name Romans give to the city they founded in 15 B.C. -- which
> has nothing to do with "Thor", being probably connected to Celtic
> "dur" `water`.

> "Torino" is obviously continuing "Taurinum", the Latin name for
> a city founded by (Celtic people) "Tauri(ni)" in the IVth century
> B.C., still not connected with "Thor".
> "etc" is not a placename and does not exhibit any Thor-likeness
> to be taken into account. :-)
> Other suggestions?!
>
> > Phonetics doesn't match at all. Absolutely impossible.
>
> Seemingly, not only phonetics.
>

Sorry about Taurinum, I should have checked here

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/Graesse/orblatt.html

Full of Tur-/Tor- names. As for what *tur- in Turicum is, none of us
can say. I'm just observing that the element *tur- is all over the
place.

Torsten