At 7:48:58 AM on Tuesday, January 13, 2004, tgpedersen wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
> wrote:
>> At 5:47:54 AM on Thursday, January 8, 2004, tgpedersen
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Udolph is very insistent that the place names (eg.
>>>>>>>>> -horst/-hurst) indicate that the Anglo-Saxon
>>>>>>>>> migration took place from the interior of Germany,
[...]
>> Why does he think that these data indicate that the AS
>> migration took place from the interior of Germany?
> Because England and the interior of Germany is where these
> place names are found of course. This is so obvious he
> doesn't even state it.
It isn't obvious at all. Here are his distributional data
as you gave them, with comments.
lage: Large concentration between the rivers Ems and Weser
This would appear to be irrelevant, as it doesn't occur in
England.
kreek: Large concentration in East Flanders, a few spread in
England, a few in Westphalia
In England the element is mostly a borrowing of ON
<kriki> occurring in minor place-names. I know of only
one English place-name that might contain an OE cognate,
<Creeksea> (Essex). This element also appears to be
irrelevant; it certainly doesn't point to the interior of
Germany.
wapel: A few in England and in the Low German area west of
the Elbe, three in Southern Jutland
Both the distribution and the linguistic evidence indicate
that this is an Anglo-Frisian but primarily Frisian
element (OFris <wapul>, <wepel> 'pool, mire'). The OE
cognate <wapol>, <wapul> is recorded only in a gloss in
the sense 'bubble, froth', but there is a derived verb
<wapolian>, <wapelian> 'to bubble, pour forth'. So far as
I know, the element is probable in a couple of place-names
and doubtful in a couple more.
horst: Large concentrations in Kent, Sussex, Lake District,
Eastern Netherlands, Westphalia, North of Lower Elbe
(Holstein, Mecklenburg), West of Lower Oder, some along
Middle Rhine.
That doesn't look like what I'd call the interior of
Germany, but perhaps he's using 'interior' rather loosely.
It is at least more to the point than the first three.
ufer: Concentration along the Middle Rhine, spread all over
England, a few in the Low German areas west of the Elbe
Finally. (Though one has to be a bit careful with the
English evidence, as OE <o:fer> is not always easily
distinguished from some other elements, notably <ofer>
'a slope, a hill, a ridge'.) I believe that there is also
archaeological evidence connecting some of the early
invaders with the Middle Rhine.
Brian