Re: Vanir,etc.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
<marcomoretti69@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

> >
> > >
> > >But what the pre-IE Germanic root wani-
> > > meant? I think it was a word for "bright", probably

also "divine".

> > > If I'm not wrong there is an isolated Anglo-Saxon
> > > word, /wanum/ "bright" that is formed from the same root.
> >
> > And? You have a kingdom of Vani around the corner from the

homeland

> > of the As people. They don't come much better than that.
> >
>
> I remember you that Proto-Germanic has /*ansuz/, "a k. of divine or
> semi-divine being". So we cannot match it with a form /as/ that
> almost certainly had no ancient nasal at all. It is chance
> resemblance.
>

Which is a reconstruction. I think the Germanic forms with -n- are a
hypercorrection.

> > > > >So the matchup is rough.
> > > > > It is a word with a plain structure, it can be found almost
> > > > > everywhere.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In that case, please provide three or four.
> > >
> > > Hurrite /wan-/ is "to win" (an IE loanword?)
> > > Pre-IE substratum in Greek /wan-ak-/ is "a prince, a king"
> > > Etruscan /Van-th/ is a "Fate Goddess" and the sentence /malak

van-

> > ka/
> > > read in one vascular inscription is "good fortune".
> > > If I had more time I could add a dozen items in /wan(i)-/.
> >
> > Of course you can, if you add suffixes. We were talking

about /van-

> /.
>
> All this looks like a monkey business.

You said that, not me.

>Words with suffixes are formed
> from a root and segments added, and we should compare roots (that
> bear the meaning).

Aha. I see you have studied linguistics.

>Your comparison attempts seem to me bad linguistics.

Another unfounded value judgement.

> > > Perhaps tomorrow I'll make you known if I found some Kartvelian
> or
> > > other matchups.
> > >
> >
> > That might have been a good place to start.
>
> Well, I have found Georgian (dialectal) /vani/ "home". It is
> suspected to be a North-Caucasian loanword.

>It has nothing to do with
> the Vanir, whose central meaning must be something
> like "bright", "divine" or "king".

And how do you know that? Do you receive revelations?

> > > Boats are quite common already in ancient times, what is

awkward

> is
> > > Maori or Hawaiian presence in prehistoric, pre-IE Sweden.
> >
> > Actually some of the people of those slant-eyed early Greek and
> > Etruscan statues look Swedish.
> >
> >
> > Sundalandic.
>


> Also in Eolie (Islands near Sicily) human remnants of a Nordic

human

> typology were found, and it is believed that that Neolithic persons
> were blond-haired. In Canary Islands Guanches were also Nordic,

they

> looked Swedish. And I met a woman from Rif that was Berber-

speaking,

> thinking at first sight that she was from England (she was very ill-
> tempered so the romance was almost immediately over). Nothing

strange.

> Nobody ensure that characters which we call Nordic were exclusive

of

> Northern Europe. They were found so far as in Africa. Tocharians

(an

> IE people of Asia) were blond or red-haired and from mummies and
> tartan cloths we know that they look very like Scottish people of

the

> Highlands. There is a pictures portrating a beautiful Etruscan

woman

> with milky skin and red hair. Homeric heroes are described as

blond.

> King David was blond, Aharon was red-haired, and so on.
> But all this proves nothing.
>

Agreed. So why do you mention it?


Torsten