Re: Uralic languages vis-a-vis Indo-European dispersal

From: tgpedersen
Message: 29494
Date: 2004-01-13

> Torsten (Pedersen) wrote: "Some (I believe among them Koivulehto)
> have proposed that Finnish borrowed from Germanic already in the
> Bronze age. That would not be good for my idea that Proto-Germanic
as
> we know it entered Scandinavia in the first century BCE."
>
> JS: Indeed, Jorma Koivulehto has advocated since 1976 that the
> speakers of an earlier phase of Finnic must have come to Finland at
> least as early as the Bronze Age. Koivulehto has shown that there
are
> Germanic loanwords in Finnic that have gone the phonetic changes
that
> are likely to have taken place between Early Proto-Finnic and late
> Proto–Finnic and therefore must have been adopted during the
> Proto-Finnic period (actually, a surprising number of these loans
are
> attested in Saami, too). Given the archaeological evidence, it is
> clear that (a) the Jastorf culture did not have any contacts with
> Finland and (b) contacts after the Jastorf culture are too late to
be
> contacts with Proto-Germanic. Hence these contacts must have taken
> place before the Jastorf culture, more specifically, with the Nordic
> Bronze Age culture, which exerted from 1600 calBC onwards a strong
> influence on coastal Finland.
>

I tried to get my shovel under one of his argumnts, as it was related
by a different author. Which of the rest of his arguments did you
have in mind? I've returned Koivulehto's book to the library, or I'd
answer the question myself.

Torsten