Re: Vanir,etc.

From: tgpedersen
Message: 29443
Date: 2004-01-12

>
> Svani was read in another link, but the substance is the same.
> The quote from the link you provided is:
>
> "Kingdom of Vani
> As per Alexeev, the Kingdom of Vani is in existence in the
> seventh/sixth century BC and lasts until the first century AD. This
> kingdom is located in Georgia close to the Black Sea; Vani is also
> the name of a town. This kingdom is influenced by Greece but it
also
> has its native cultural traditions. Linguists do not know which
> languages were spoken [Arutiunov says the language most probably
was
> early Zanic];

Of which Svan is a member?


>however, inscriptions on gravestones are in Greek. This
> site has been excavated for thirty years revealing a great square
> with architecture similar to Greece. The Vani people are metal
users.
> Iron is used for tools, with an occasional implement made of
bronze;
> bronze is considered very valuable. Thus in the early Iron Age
there
> is a mixing of a new tradition of iron with the old tradition of
> bronze."
>
> It's very feeble. First we have to know the etymology of the
>toponym
> Vani (a town).

Why?


> In any case the Nordic theonym is not locative in its origin:
> Vanaheimr, Vanaland are clearly derived from a pl. genitive of
Vanir
> plus /heimr/ and /land/.

Irrelevant. The locative origin might have been forgotten and a new
place-name formed on the basis of the ethnic name.

>But what the pre-IE Germanic root wani-
> meant? I think it was a word for "bright", probably also "divine".
> If I'm not wrong there is an isolated Anglo-Saxon
> word, /wanum/ "bright" that is formed from the same root.

And? You have a kingdom of Vani around the corner from the homeland
of the As people. They don't come much better than that.


> > >So the matchup is rough.
> > > It is a word with a plain structure, it can be found almost
> > > everywhere.
> > >
> >
> > In that case, please provide three or four.
>
> Hurrite /wan-/ is "to win" (an IE loanword?)
> Pre-IE substratum in Greek /wan-ak-/ is "a prince, a king"
> Etruscan /Van-th/ is a "Fate Goddess" and the sentence /malak van-
ka/
> read in one vascular inscription is "good fortune".
> If I had more time I could add a dozen items in /wan(i)-/.

Of course you can, if you add suffixes. We were talking about /van-/.


> Perhaps tomorrow I'll make you known if I found some Kartvelian or
> other matchups.
>

That might have been a good place to start.


> Boats are quite common already in ancient times, what is awkward is
> Maori or Hawaiian presence in prehistoric, pre-IE Sweden.

Actually some of the people of those slant-eyed early Greek and
Etruscan statues look Swedish.


Sundalandic.

Torsten