From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 29330
Date: 2004-01-09
> Here,Note that they say the same about all of the <-heim>
> http://www.etymologie.info/~e/d_/de-orte__.html
> --ham
> deutet auf große fränkische
> Siedlungen hin (6.Jh. und später),
> auch später wurden viele Orte in
> Anlehnung daran benannt
> the authors say that this ending is a sign for the
> Frankish expansion (colonization) starting in the
> 6th c.
> [1] Is this correct?
> [2] Is the South-German <-ham> relic because ofAccording to von Kienle (Historische Laut- und Formenlehre
> some Bavarian or Franconian sub-dialect? Or is
> it a relic... "per se" (an old form)?
> In Germany, there are -ham toponyms seeminglyAre there any names in <-kam> in that area? According to
> only in South-Bavaria & Austria (the rest of
> the 'Reich' only has <-heim>).
> Noteworthy that -ham names coexist with -heim,
> -haus, -hausen ones; the multitude of -ham localities
> around <Rosenheim>, a major locality between
> Munich and Salzburg (on the railroad Vienna-
> Paris): no *Rosenham, but Rosenheim. And: I don't
> know whether there is a single case of <-ingham>,
> although in the same area <-ing> has been extremely
> productive.
> (<-ingen> is farther in the West, it already signalizesThat one is misleading: it's in record in 1277 as
> the Suebian area; not typical of the Bavarian dialect
> zone.) I know of one <-ham>+<-ing> in: <Allhaming> in
> Austria.
> A few examples: all these German localities are inI don't have early forms of the place-name per se, but
> Southern Bavaria (Oberbayern), some of the counties
> even bordering Austria (such as Traunstein, Berch-
> tesgaden, Rosenheim).
> [G = Gemeinde (commune); Krs = Landkreis (county)]
> Aham (G Eiselfing, Krs Rosenheim)
> Aham (G Taufkirchen, Krs Erding)
> Holzham (G Burghausen, Krs Altötting)<Ulr. der Holzhaimer> 1395 at Passau.
> Holzham (G Halfing, Krs Rosenheim)